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	\|claim=The website quotes Joseph Fielding Smith as saying, “I say most emphatically, you cannot believe in this theory [of evolution] of the origin of man, and at the same time accept the plan of salvation as set forth by the Lord our God.”		\|claim=The website quotes Joseph Fielding Smith as saying, “I say most emphatically, you cannot believe in this theory [of evolution] of the origin of man, and at the same time accept the plan of salvation as set forth by the Lord our God.”
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	*Note that this Joseph Fielding Smith quote was originally presented by the site as part of a "First Presidency statement." This was incorrect.		*Note that this Joseph Fielding Smith quote was originally presented by the site as part of a "First Presidency statement." This was incorrect.
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	\|claim=The question is posed by the website, "Does the sun get its light from Kolob?"		\|claim=The question is posed by the website, "Does the sun get its light from Kolob?"
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	*We all know that the sun generates its light through thermonuclear fusion, and this is a question which no investigator would ever be likely to ask.		*We all know that the sun generates its light through thermonuclear fusion, and this is a question which no investigator would ever be likely to ask.
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	\|claim=The website claims that "According to the Book of Abraham, God lives on a planet called Kolob which gives the sun its light."		\|claim=The website claims that "According to the Book of Abraham, God lives on a planet called Kolob which gives the sun its light."
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	*This is incorrect. The Book of Abraham does NOT say that God "lives on a planet called Kolob." It says that Kolob is "near unto" God. Kolob appears to be the name of a star.		*This is incorrect. The Book of Abraham does NOT say that God "lives on a planet called Kolob." It says that Kolob is "near unto" God. Kolob appears to be the name of a star.
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	\|claim=The website asks, "What about the dinosaurs?" It goes on to state that "There was no death before the fall of Adam, not even the death of animals."		\|claim=The website asks, "What about the dinosaurs?" It goes on to state that "There was no death before the fall of Adam, not even the death of animals."
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	*Some LDS leaders have interpreted LDS scripture to teach that there was no death prior to the Fall of Adam for all plants and animals.		*Some LDS leaders have interpreted LDS scripture to teach that there was no death prior to the Fall of Adam for all plants and animals.
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	\|claim=The website speculates, "Though there is no official doctrine, this narrows it down to only a handful of possibilities." They then quote two possibilities: 1) That humans and dinosaurs coexisted and only went extinct a few thousand years ago and 2) That they never existed alive on this earth at all.		\|claim=The website speculates, "Though there is no official doctrine, this narrows it down to only a handful of possibilities." They then quote two possibilities: 1) That humans and dinosaurs coexisted and only went extinct a few thousand years ago and 2) That they never existed alive on this earth at all.
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	*The website omits the third (and most popular) option listed on the FAIR Wiki page from which this material was taken: That the earth is very old, that there was death before the Fall, and that the dinosaurs lived and died in a era long before the story of Adam and Eve begins.		*The website omits the third (and most popular) option listed on the FAIR Wiki page from which this material was taken: That the earth is very old, that there was death before the Fall, and that the dinosaurs lived and died in a era long before the story of Adam and Eve begins.
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	\|claim=The website poses the rather offensive question, "Where did black people come from?" They then answer that "According to the Book of Mormon and LDS interpretations of the Bible, dark skin is brought on by wickedness."		\|claim=The website poses the rather offensive question, "Where did black people come from?" They then answer that "According to the Book of Mormon and LDS interpretations of the Bible, dark skin is brought on by wickedness."
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	*The "Curse of Cain" was a ''Protestant'' invention that was used as a religious justification for slavery in the 1800's.		*The "Curse of Cain" was a ''Protestant'' invention that was used as a religious justification for slavery in the 1800's.

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	\|claim=The website quotes Joseph Fielding Smith as saying, “I say most emphatically, you cannot believe in this theory [of evolution] of the origin of man, and at the same time accept the plan of salvation as set forth by the Lord our God.”		\|claim=The website quotes Joseph Fielding Smith as saying, “I say most emphatically, you cannot believe in this theory [of evolution] of the origin of man, and at the same time accept the plan of salvation as set forth by the Lord our God.”
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	*Note that this Joseph Fielding Smith quote was originally presented by the site as part of a "First Presidency statement." This was incorrect.		*Note that this Joseph Fielding Smith quote was originally presented by the site as part of a "First Presidency statement." This was incorrect.
	*Church members are not required to reject evolution. Many believe the God used evolution as part of His divine plan of creation.		*Church members are not required to reject evolution. Many believe the God used evolution as part of His divine plan of creation.
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	*We all know that the sun generates its light through thermonuclear fusion, and this is a question which no investigator would ever be likely to ask.		*We all know that the sun generates its light through thermonuclear fusion, and this is a question which no investigator would ever be likely to ask.
	*The Book of Abraham states that “the sun [is said] to borrow its light from Kolob through the medium of Kae-e-vanrash, which is the grand Key, or, in other words, the governing power (Abraham Fac 2,Fig 5).		*The Book of Abraham states that “the sun [is said] to borrow its light from Kolob through the medium of Kae-e-vanrash, which is the grand Key, or, in other words, the governing power (Abraham Fac 2,Fig 5).
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	*This is incorrect. The Book of Abraham does NOT say that God "lives on a planet called Kolob." It says that Kolob is "near unto" God. Kolob appears to be the name of a star.		*This is incorrect. The Book of Abraham does NOT say that God "lives on a planet called Kolob." It says that Kolob is "near unto" God. Kolob appears to be the name of a star.
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	\|claim=The website asks, "What about the dinosaurs?" It goes on to state that "There was no death before the fall of Adam, not even the death of animals."		\|claim=The website asks, "What about the dinosaurs?" It goes on to state that "There was no death before the fall of Adam, not even the death of animals."
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	*Some LDS leaders have interpreted LDS scripture to teach that there was no death prior to the Fall of Adam for all plants and animals.		*Some LDS leaders have interpreted LDS scripture to teach that there was no death prior to the Fall of Adam for all plants and animals.
	*Some LDS leaders have seen pre-Fall death of plants and/or animals as compatible with LDS doctrine, with the doctrine of "no death" applying only to Adam and Eve within the garden, and not the wider physical creation.		*Some LDS leaders have seen pre-Fall death of plants and/or animals as compatible with LDS doctrine, with the doctrine of "no death" applying only to Adam and Eve within the garden, and not the wider physical creation.
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	\|claim=The website speculates, "Though there is no official doctrine, this narrows it down to only a handful of possibilities." They then quote two possibilities: 1) That humans and dinosaurs coexisted and only went extinct a few thousand years ago and 2) That they never existed alive on this earth at all.		\|claim=The website speculates, "Though there is no official doctrine, this narrows it down to only a handful of possibilities." They then quote two possibilities: 1) That humans and dinosaurs coexisted and only went extinct a few thousand years ago and 2) That they never existed alive on this earth at all.
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	*The website omits the third (and most popular) option listed on the FAIR Wiki page from which this material was taken: That the earth is very old, that there was death before the Fall, and that the dinosaurs lived and died in a era long before the story of Adam and Eve begins.		*The website omits the third (and most popular) option listed on the FAIR Wiki page from which this material was taken: That the earth is very old, that there was death before the Fall, and that the dinosaurs lived and died in a era long before the story of Adam and Eve begins.
	*The Church does not take an official position on this issue.		*The Church does not take an official position on this issue.
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	*The "Curse of Cain" was a ''Protestant'' invention that was used as a religious justification for slavery in the 1800's.		*The "Curse of Cain" was a ''Protestant'' invention that was used as a religious justification for slavery in the 1800's.
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 |summary=We often hear that Latter-day Saints believe and teach that blacks are descendents of Cain, and that they are cursed. In fact, on some occasions prior to 1978, blacks were denied access to temple open houses because they carried the “mark of Cain.” What critics never point out, however, is that the "curse of Cain" is a Protestant invention that was created in order to justify slavery in the 1800's. One would get the impression listening to critics that the Latter-day Saints originated the idea of the curse, and they point to the priesthood ban as evidence of such, while ignoring that fact of segregated congregations in Protestant churches of that era.
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	==A ~~FAIR~~ Analysis of FutureMissionary page "Mormon Beliefs & Science"==		==A FairMormon Analysis of FutureMissionary page "Mormon Beliefs & Science"==

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	*Some LDS leaders have interpreted LDS scripture to teach that there was no death prior to the Fall of Adam for all plants and animals. ~~Others~~ have seen pre-Fall death of plants and/or animals as compatible with LDS doctrine, with the doctrine of "no death" applying only to Adam and Eve within the garden, and not the wider physical creation.		*Some LDS leaders have interpreted LDS scripture to teach that there was no death prior to the Fall of Adam for all plants and animals.
	There is no official doctrine on the matter, and members in good standing have held both positions.		*Some LDS leaders have seen pre-Fall death of plants and/or animals as compatible with LDS doctrine, with the doctrine of "no death" applying only to Adam and Eve within the garden, and not the wider physical creation.
			*There is no official doctrine on the matter, and members in good standing have held both positions.
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