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	It is claimed that Joseph Smith and his family were lazy, shiftless, and sought to make a living without labor.		It is claimed that Joseph Smith and his family were lazy, shiftless, and sought to make a living without labor.

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	* Former neighbor Orlando Saunders recalled that: "They were the best family in the neighborhood in case of sickness; one was at my house nearly all the time when my father died....[The Smiths] were very good people. Young Joe (as we called him then), has worked for me, and he was a good worker; they all were. . . . He was always a gentleman when about my place."<ref>Anderson, "Joseph Smith's New York Reputation Reappraised," 309; cited by {{FR-4-1-14}}</ref>		* Former neighbor Orlando Saunders recalled that: "They were the best family in the neighborhood in case of sickness; one was at my house nearly all the time when my father died....[The Smiths] were very good people. Young Joe (as we called him then), has worked for me, and he was a good worker; they all were. . . . He was always a gentleman when about my place."<ref>Anderson, "Joseph Smith's New York Reputation Reappraised," 309; cited by {{FR-4-1-14}}</ref>
	* John Stafford, eldest son of [[The_Hurlbut_affidavits#William_Stafford\|William Stafford]] said that the Smiths were "poor managers," but allowed as how Joseph "would do a fair day's work if hired out to a man...."<ref>William H. Kelly, "The Hill Cumorah, and the Book of Mormon," ''Saints' Herald'' 28 (1 June 1881): 167; cited in {{EarlyMormonDocs1\|vol=2\|start=121}}</ref>		* John Stafford, eldest son of [[The_Hurlbut_affidavits#William_Stafford\|William Stafford]] said that the Smiths were "poor managers," but allowed as how Joseph "would do a fair day's work if hired out to a man...."<ref>William H. Kelly, "The Hill Cumorah, and the Book of Mormon," ''Saints' Herald'' 28 (1 June 1881): 167; cited in {{EarlyMormonDocs1\|vol=2\|start=121}}</ref>
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	The claims of a "lazy" Smith family come largely from the [[The Hurlbut affidavits\|Hurlbut-Howe affidavits]], published in ''Mormonism Unvailed'', the first anti-Mormon book.		The claims of a "lazy" Smith family come largely from the [[The Hurlbut affidavits\|Hurlbut-Howe affidavits]], published in ''Mormonism Unvailed'', the first anti-Mormon book.

	Were the Smiths truly lazy? Some research sought to address this question,{{~~ref~~\|~~enders~~.1}} and Daniel C. Peterson summarized the results:		Were the Smiths truly lazy? Some research sought to address this question,<ref>{{Book:Black Tate:Joseph Smith The Prophet The Man\|pages=213–25\|author=Donald L. Enders\|article=The Joseph Smith, Sr., Family: Farmers of the Genesee}}</ref> and Daniel C. Peterson summarized the results:

	:Working from land and tax records, farm account books and related correspondence, soil surveys, horticultural studies, surveys of historic buildings, archaeological reports, and interviews with agricultural historians and other specialists—sources not generally used by scholars of Mormon origins—Enders concludes that, on questions of testable fact, the affidavits cannot be trusted.		:Working from land and tax records, farm account books and related correspondence, soil surveys, horticultural studies, surveys of historic buildings, archaeological reports, and interviews with agricultural historians and other specialists—sources not generally used by scholars of Mormon origins—Enders concludes that, on questions of testable fact, the affidavits cannot be trusted.
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	:The Smiths' farming techniques, it seems, were virtually a textbook illustration of the best recommendations of the day, showing them to have been, by contemporary standards, intelligent, skilled, and responsible people. And they were very hard working. To create their farm, for instance, the Smiths moved many tons of rock and cut down about six thousand trees, a large percentage of which were one hundred feet or more in height and from four to six feet in diameter. Then they fenced their property, which required cutting at least six or seven thousand ten-foot rails. They did an enormous amount of work before they were able even to begin actual daily farming.		:The Smiths' farming techniques, it seems, were virtually a textbook illustration of the best recommendations of the day, showing them to have been, by contemporary standards, intelligent, skilled, and responsible people. And they were very hard working. To create their farm, for instance, the Smiths moved many tons of rock and cut down about six thousand trees, a large percentage of which were one hundred feet or more in height and from four to six feet in diameter. Then they fenced their property, which required cutting at least six or seven thousand ten-foot rails. They did an enormous amount of work before they were able even to begin actual daily farming.

	:Furthermore, in order to pay for their farm, the Smiths were obliged to hire themselves out as day laborers. Throughout the surrounding area, they dug and rocked up wells and cisterns, mowed, harvested, made cider and barrels and chairs and brooms and baskets, taught school, dug for salt, worked as carpenters and domestics, built stone walls and fireplaces, flailed grain, cut and sold cordwood, carted, washed clothes, sold garden produce, painted chairs and oil-cloth coverings, butchered, dug coal, and hauled stone. And, along the way, they produced between one thousand and seven thousand pounds of maple sugar annually. "Laziness" and "indolence" are difficult to detect in the Smith family.{{~~ref~~\|~~peterson~~.1}}		:Furthermore, in order to pay for their farm, the Smiths were obliged to hire themselves out as day laborers. Throughout the surrounding area, they dug and rocked up wells and cisterns, mowed, harvested, made cider and barrels and chairs and brooms and baskets, taught school, dug for salt, worked as carpenters and domestics, built stone walls and fireplaces, flailed grain, cut and sold cordwood, carted, washed clothes, sold garden produce, painted chairs and oil-cloth coverings, butchered, dug coal, and hauled stone. And, along the way, they produced between one thousand and seven thousand pounds of maple sugar annually. "Laziness" and "indolence" are difficult to detect in the Smith family.<ref>{{Book:Welch Thorne:Pressing Forward\|pages=286—87\|author=Daniel C. Peterson and Donald L. Enders\|article=Can the 1834 Affidavits Attacking the Smith Family Be Trusted?}}</ref>

	The Smith farm was improved to the point that it was worth more than 9 out of 10 farms in the region.{{ref~~\|enders~~.~~220}}~~ Given that the Smiths' property was worth more than most of their neighbors, it is difficult to credit the after-the-fact claims by some neighbors in the Hurlbut affidavits that the Smiths were lazy ne'er-do-wells.		The Smith farm was improved to the point that it was worth more than 9 out of 10 farms in the region.<ref>Enders, 220.</ref> Given that the Smiths' property was worth more than most of their neighbors, it is difficult to credit the after-the-fact claims by some neighbors in the Hurlbut affidavits that the Smiths were lazy ne'er-do-wells.

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	Richard Lloyd Anderson noted that:		Richard Lloyd Anderson noted that:

	:All who claimed to know Joseph Smith in this area had contact in the townships of either Palmyra or Manchester, and the 1830 census contains about 2,000 males old enough to know the Smiths in these two localities. From that possible number, Hurlbut procured the signatures of seventy-two individuals who claimed firsthand experience with Joseph Smith. At best, Hurlbut selected one-half of one percent of the males who potentially knew anything about the Smiths. Although Howe presented these as representative, they are matched by approximately the same number in those communities known to have a favorable opinion of the Smiths in the late 1820's. Dr. Gain Robinson, uncle of the Smith family physician, gathered sixty signatures on a certificate attesting the Smiths' reliability in an attempt to prevent loss of their farm in 1825.{{~~ref~~\|~~anderson.1~~}}		:All who claimed to know Joseph Smith in this area had contact in the townships of either Palmyra or Manchester, and the 1830 census contains about 2,000 males old enough to know the Smiths in these two localities. From that possible number, Hurlbut procured the signatures of seventy-two individuals who claimed firsthand experience with Joseph Smith. At best, Hurlbut selected one-half of one percent of the males who potentially knew anything about the Smiths. Although Howe presented these as representative, they are matched by approximately the same number in those communities known to have a favorable opinion of the Smiths in the late 1820's. Dr. Gain Robinson, uncle of the Smith family physician, gathered sixty signatures on a certificate attesting the Smiths' reliability in an attempt to prevent loss of their farm in 1825.<ref>{{BYUS1\|author=Richard Lloyd Anderson\|article=Joseph Smith's New York Reputation Reappraised\|date=1970\|vol=10\|num=3\|start=285}} For more details, see {{Dialogue1\|author=Richard Lloyd Anderson\|article=The Reliability of the Early History of Lucy and Joseph Smith\|vol=4\|date=Summer 1969\|start= 16, 19\|num=2}}</ref>

	If the Smiths were so lazy in 1825 (before the Book of Mormon made them notorious) then why did so many neighbors try to help them save their farm from foreclosure?		If the Smiths were so lazy in 1825 (before the Book of Mormon made them notorious) then why did so many neighbors try to help them save their farm from foreclosure?
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	* Former neighbor Orlando Saunders recalled that: "They were the best family in the neighborhood in case of sickness; one was at my house nearly all the time when my father died....[The Smiths] were very good people. Young Joe (as we called him then), has worked for me, and he was a good worker; they all were. . . . He was always a gentleman when about my place."{{~~ref\|saunders.~~1}}		* Former neighbor Orlando Saunders recalled that: "They were the best family in the neighborhood in case of sickness; one was at my house nearly all the time when my father died....[The Smiths] were very good people. Young Joe (as we called him then), has worked for me, and he was a good worker; they all were. . . . He was always a gentleman when about my place."<ref>Anderson, "Joseph Smith's New York Reputation Reappraised," 309; cited by {{FR-4-1-14}}</ref>
	* John Stafford, eldest son of [[The_Hurlbut_affidavits#William_Stafford\|William Stafford]] said that the Smiths were "poor managers," but allowed as how Joseph "would do a fair day's work if hired out to a man...."{{ref~~\|john.stafford.1~~}}		* John Stafford, eldest son of [[The_Hurlbut_affidavits#William_Stafford\|William Stafford]] said that the Smiths were "poor managers," but allowed as how Joseph "would do a fair day's work if hired out to a man...."<ref>William H. Kelly, "The Hill Cumorah, and the Book of Mormon," ''Saints' Herald'' 28 (1 June 1881): 167; cited in {{EarlyMormonDocs1\|vol=2\|start=121}}</ref>

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	~~#{{note\|enders.1}}{{Book:Black Tate:Joseph Smith The Prophet The Man\|pages=213–25\|author=Donald L. Enders\|article=The Joseph Smith, Sr., Family: Farmers of the Genesee}}~~
	~~#{{note\|enders.220}} Enders, 220.~~
	~~#{{note\|peterson.1}} {{Book:Welch Thorne:Pressing Forward\|pages=286—87\|author=Daniel C. Peterson and Donald L. Enders\|article=Can the 1834 Affidavits Attacking the Smith Family Be Trusted?}}~~
	#{{note\|anderson.1}} {{BYUS1\|author=Richard Lloyd Anderson\|article=Joseph Smith's New York Reputation Reappraised\|date=1970\|vol=10\|num=3\|start=285}} {{GL1\|url=http://gospelink.com.gospelink.com/library/document/89811}} For more details, see {{Dialogue1\|author=Richard Lloyd Anderson\|article=The Reliability of the Early History of Lucy and Joseph Smith\|vol=4\|date=Summer 1969\|start= 16, 19\|num=2}}
	~~#{{note\|saunders.1}} Anderson, "Joseph Smith's New York Reputation Reappraised," 309; cited by {{FR-4-1-14}}~~
	~~#{{note\|john.stafford.1}} William H. Kelly, "The Hill Cumorah, and the Book of Mormon," ''Saints' Herald'' 28 (1 June 1881): 167; cited in {{EarlyMormonDocs1\|vol=2\|start=121}}~~

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	The claim that the Smiths were lazy is belied by objective financial data showing them to be more hard-working than most of their neighbors. The attacks on their industry date from after they had become notorious for the Book of Mormon and the Church, and probably spring from religious hostility more than truth.		The claim that the Smiths were lazy is belied by objective financial data showing them to be more hard-working than most of their neighbors. The attacks on their industry date from after they had become notorious for the Book of Mormon and the Church, and probably spring from religious hostility more than truth.