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	*Note the contingency "and they refused to accept them." Critical websites which display this quote typically do not include the second sentence.		*Note the contingency "and they refused to accept them." Critical websites which display this quote typically do not include the second sentence.
	*Polygamy is not required of Latter-day Saints now, so this statement does not apply to us in the present day.		*Polygamy is not required of Latter-day Saints now, so this statement does not apply to us in the present day.
	*{{~~Detail~~\|Polygamy/The only men who become gods are those that practice polygamy}}		*{{Detail_old\|Polygamy/The only men who become gods are those that practice polygamy}}

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	*The bolded portion is a phrase used by critics.		*The bolded portion is a phrase used by critics.
	*Note that Brigham extends this to a denial of ''any'' revelation given by the Lord.		*Note that Brigham extends this to a denial of ''any'' revelation given by the Lord.
	*{{~~Detail~~\|Polygamy/The only men who become gods are those that practice polygamy}}		*{{Detail_old\|Polygamy/The only men who become gods are those that practice polygamy}}

	===Inhabitants on the Sun===		===Inhabitants on the Sun===
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	Who can tell us of the inhabitants of this little planet that shines of an evening, called the moon? '''When we view its face we may see what is termed 'the man in the moon,' and what some philosophers declare are the shadows of mountains. But these sayings are very vague, and amount to nothing; and '''when you inquire about the inhabitants of that sphere you find that the most learned are as ignorant in regard to them as the most ignorant of their fellows. So it is with regard to the inhabitants of the sun. Do you think it is inhabited? I rather think it is. Do you think there is any life there? No question of it; it was not made in vain.		Who can tell us of the inhabitants of this little planet that shines of an evening, called the moon? '''When we view its face we may see what is termed 'the man in the moon,' and what some philosophers declare are the shadows of mountains. But these sayings are very vague, and amount to nothing; and '''when you inquire about the inhabitants of that sphere you find that the most learned are as ignorant in regard to them as the most ignorant of their fellows. So it is with regard to the inhabitants of the sun. Do you think it is inhabited? I rather think it is. Do you think there is any life there? No question of it; it was not made in vain.
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	*{{~~Detail~~\|Brigham Young/Teachings/Moon and sun are inhabited}}		*{{Detail_old\|Brigham Young/Teachings/Moon and sun are inhabited}}

	===Regarding preaching the Gospel to the Jews===		===Regarding preaching the Gospel to the Jews===

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	===Regarding preaching the Gospel to the Jews===		===Regarding preaching the Gospel to the Jews===
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	"I would rather undertake to convert five thousand Lamanites, than to convert one of those poor miserable creatures whose fathers killed the savior... Yea, I would rather undertake to convert the devil himself, if it were possible... I would say, leave them, and come home, the Lord does not require you to stay there, for they must suffer and be damned... [L]eave them to live and die in their sins and ignorance... [T]hey take pleasure in their wickedness..." ({{JDfairwiki\|vol=2\|disc=\|start=143}})		"I would rather undertake to convert five thousand Lamanites, than to convert one of those poor miserable creatures whose fathers killed the savior... Yea, I would rather undertake to convert the devil himself, if it were possible... I would say, leave them, and come home, the Lord does not require you to stay there, for they must suffer and be damned... [L]eave them to live and die in their sins and ignorance... [T]hey take pleasure in their wickedness..." ({{JDfairwiki\|vol=2\|disc=26\|start=143}})
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	===Regarding the Jews===		===Regarding preaching the Gospel to the Jews===
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	"I would rather undertake to convert five thousand Lamanites, than to convert one of those poor miserable creatures whose fathers killed the savior... Yea, I would rather undertake to convert the devil himself, if it were possible... I would say, leave them, and come home, the Lord does not require you to stay there, for they must suffer and be damned... [L]eave them to live and die in their sins and ignorance... [T]hey take pleasure in their wickedness..." ({{JDfairwiki\|vol=2\|disc=\|start=143}})		"I would rather undertake to convert five thousand Lamanites, than to convert one of those poor miserable creatures whose fathers killed the savior... Yea, I would rather undertake to convert the devil himself, if it were possible... I would say, leave them, and come home, the Lord does not require you to stay there, for they must suffer and be damned... [L]eave them to live and die in their sins and ignorance... [T]hey take pleasure in their wickedness..." ({{JDfairwiki\|vol=2\|disc=\|start=143}})

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	*{{Detail\|Brigham Young/Teachings/Moon and sun are inhabited}}		*{{Detail\|Brigham Young/Teachings/Moon and sun are inhabited}}

			===Regarding the Jews===
			<blockquote>
			"I would rather undertake to convert five thousand Lamanites, than to convert one of those poor miserable creatures whose fathers killed the savior... Yea, I would rather undertake to convert the devil himself, if it were possible... I would say, leave them, and come home, the Lord does not require you to stay there, for they must suffer and be damned... [L]eave them to live and die in their sins and ignorance... [T]hey take pleasure in their wickedness..." ({{JDfairwiki\|vol=2\|disc=\|start=143}})
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			*Here is the full quote with the omitted parts in bold:
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			I would rather undertake to convert five thousand Lamanites, than to convert one of those poor miserable creatures, whose fathers killed the Savior, '''and who say, 'Amen to the deed,' to this day.''' Yea, I would rather undertake to convert the devil himself, if it were possible. '''Then I say to the Elders in those regions, be not astonished if you have to see hard times. And if I had a voice that would reach the ears of all those Elders, I would say, LEAVE THEM, AND COME HOME, THE LORD DOES NOT REQUIRE YOU TO STAY THERE, FOR THEY MUST SUFFER AND BE DAMNED. Now, sisters, write to your husbands who are in regions where the Gospel has been preached anciently, to come home; and I say to all the Elders who are in lands where the Gospel has been preached previous to our day, come away from that people, and''' leave them to live and die in their sins and ignorance. '''For the sins of their fathers are a sweet morsel to them, and''' they take pleasure in their wickedness; '''therefore, let them alone, and come home, and preach to the Lamanites.'''
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	===Inhabitants on the Sun===		===Inhabitants on the Sun===
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	"Who can tell us of the inhabitants of this little planet that shines of an evening, called the moon?...when you inquire about the inhabitants of that sphere you find that the most learned are as ignorant in regard to them as the ignorant of their fellows. So it is in regard to the inhabitants of the sun. Do you think it is inhabited? I rather think it is. Do you think there is any life there? No question of it; it was not made in vain." ({{JDfairwiki\|vol=13\|disc=\|start=271}})		"Who can tell us of the inhabitants of this little planet that shines of an evening, called the moon?...when you inquire about the inhabitants of that sphere you find that the most learned are as ignorant in regard to them as the ignorant of their fellows. So it is in regard to the inhabitants of the sun. Do you think it is inhabited? I rather think it is. Do you think there is any life there? No question of it; it was not made in vain." ({{JDfairwiki\|vol=13\|disc=31\|start=271}})
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	*Here is the full quote with the omitted part in bold:		*Here is the full quote with the omitted part in bold:

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	===Inhabitants on the Sun===		===Inhabitants on the Sun===
	<blockquote>		<blockquote>
	"Who can tell us of the inhabitants of this little planet that shines of an evening, called the moon?...when you inquire about the inhabitants of that sphere you find that the most learned are as ignorant in regard to them as the ignorant of their fellows. So it is in regard to the inhabitants of the sun. Do you think it is inhabited? I rather think it is. Do you think there is any life there? No question of it; it was not made in vain." ({{JDfairwiki\|vol=13\|disc=\|start=271)		"Who can tell us of the inhabitants of this little planet that shines of an evening, called the moon?...when you inquire about the inhabitants of that sphere you find that the most learned are as ignorant in regard to them as the ignorant of their fellows. So it is in regard to the inhabitants of the sun. Do you think it is inhabited? I rather think it is. Do you think there is any life there? No question of it; it was not made in vain." ({{JDfairwiki\|vol=13\|disc=\|start=271}})
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	*Here is the full quote with the omitted part in bold:		*Here is the full quote with the omitted part in bold:

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	*Note that Brigham extends this to a denial of ''any'' revelation given by the Lord.		*Note that Brigham extends this to a denial of ''any'' revelation given by the Lord.
	*{{Detail\|Polygamy/The only men who become gods are those that practice polygamy}}		*{{Detail\|Polygamy/The only men who become gods are those that practice polygamy}}

			===Inhabitants on the Sun===
			<blockquote>
			"Who can tell us of the inhabitants of this little planet that shines of an evening, called the moon?...when you inquire about the inhabitants of that sphere you find that the most learned are as ignorant in regard to them as the ignorant of their fellows. So it is in regard to the inhabitants of the sun. Do you think it is inhabited? I rather think it is. Do you think there is any life there? No question of it; it was not made in vain." ({{JDfairwiki\|vol=13\|disc=\|start=271)
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			*Here is the full quote with the omitted part in bold:
			<blockquote>
			Who can tell us of the inhabitants of this little planet that shines of an evening, called the moon? '''When we view its face we may see what is termed 'the man in the moon,' and what some philosophers declare are the shadows of mountains. But these sayings are very vague, and amount to nothing; and '''when you inquire about the inhabitants of that sphere you find that the most learned are as ignorant in regard to them as the most ignorant of their fellows. So it is with regard to the inhabitants of the sun. Do you think it is inhabited? I rather think it is. Do you think there is any life there? No question of it; it was not made in vain.
			</blockquote>
			*{{Detail\|Brigham Young/Teachings/Moon and sun are inhabited}}

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	===Polygamy as a requirement for salvation===		===Polygamy as a requirement for salvation===
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	"The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy. Others attain unto a glory and may even be permitted to come into the presence of the Father and the Son; but they cannot reign as kings in glory, because they had blessings offered unto them, and they refused to accept them."({{JDfairwiki\|vol=11\|disc=41\|start=269}})		"'''The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy.''' Others attain unto a glory and may even be permitted to come into the presence of the Father and the Son; but they cannot reign as kings in glory, because they had blessings offered unto them, and they refused to accept them."({{JDfairwiki\|vol=11\|disc=41\|start=269}}) {{ea}}
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	*Note the contingency "and they refused to accept them." Polygamy is not required of Latter-day Saints now, so this statement does not apply to us in the present day.		*The bolded portion is a phrase used by critics.
			*Note the contingency "and they refused to accept them." Critical websites which display this quote typically do not include the second sentence.
			*Polygamy is not required of Latter-day Saints now, so this statement does not apply to us in the present day.
			*{{Detail\|Polygamy/The only men who become gods are those that practice polygamy}}

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			"'''Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;''' and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given, and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned. But the Saints who live their religion will be exalted, for they never will deny any revelation which the Lord has given or may give, though, when there is a doctrine coming to them which they cannot comprehend fully, they may be found saying, 'The Lord sendeth this unto me, and I pray that He will save and preserve me from denying anything which proceedeth from Him, and give me patience to wait until I can understand it for myself.'" ({{JDfairwiki\|vol=3\|disc=39\|start=266}}) {{ea}}
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			*The bolded portion is a phrase used by critics.
			*Note that Brigham extends this to a denial of ''any'' revelation given by the Lord.
	*{{Detail\|Polygamy/The only men who become gods are those that practice polygamy}}		*{{Detail\|Polygamy/The only men who become gods are those that practice polygamy}}

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=Analysis and response to quotes made by Brigham Young=

===Polygamy as a requirement for salvation===
<blockquote>
"The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy. Others attain unto a glory and may even be permitted to come into the presence of the Father and the Son; but they cannot reign as kings in glory, because they had blessings offered unto them, and they refused to accept them."({{JDfairwiki|vol=11|disc=41|start=269}})
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*Note the contingency "and they refused to accept them." Polygamy is not required of Latter-day Saints now, so this statement does not apply to us in the present day.
*{{Detail|Polygamy/The only men who become gods are those that practice polygamy}}