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	===The Nephite interpreters are two seer stones set in a framework resembling a set of "spectacles"===

	The Lord provided a set of seer stones (which were formerly used by Nephite prophets) along with the plates. The term ''Nephite interpreters'' can alternatively refer to the stones themselves or the stones in conjunction with their associated paraphernalia (holding rim and breastplate). Some time after the translation, early saints noticed similarities with the seer stones and related paraphernalia used by High Priests in the Old Testament and began to use the term ''Urim and Thummim'' interchangeably with the ''Nephite interpreters'' and Joseph's other seer stones as well. The now popular use of the term ''Urim and Thummim'' has unfortunately obscured the fact that all such devices belong in the same class of consecrated revelatory aids and that more than one were used in the translation.		The Lord provided a set of seer stones (which were formerly used by Nephite prophets) along with the plates. The term ''Nephite interpreters'' can alternatively refer to the stones themselves or the stones in conjunction with their associated paraphernalia (holding rim and breastplate). Some time after the translation, early saints noticed similarities with the seer stones and related paraphernalia used by High Priests in the Old Testament and began to use the term ''Urim and Thummim'' interchangeably with the ''Nephite interpreters'' and Joseph's other seer stones as well. The now popular use of the term ''Urim and Thummim'' has unfortunately obscured the fact that all such devices belong in the same class of consecrated revelatory aids and that more than one were used in the translation.

	===The manner in which the interpreters were used was never explained in detail===		====The manner in which the interpreters were used was never explained in detail====

	The Nephite interpreters were intended to assist Joseph in the initial translation process, yet the manner in which they were employed was never explained in detail. The fact that the Nephite interpreters were set in rims resembling a pair of spectacles has led some to believe that they may have been worn like a pair of glasses, with Joseph viewing the characters on the plates through them. This, however, is merely speculation that doesn't take into account that Joseph soon disassembled the fixture, the spacing between seer stones being too wide for his eyes. The accompanying breastplate also appeared to have been used by a larger man. Like its biblical counterpart (the High Priest's breastplate contained 12 gems that symbolized him acting as a mediator between God and Israel), the Nephite breastplate was apparently non-essential to the revelatory process.		The Nephite interpreters were intended to assist Joseph in the initial translation process, yet the manner in which they were employed was never explained in detail. The fact that the Nephite interpreters were set in rims resembling a pair of spectacles has led some to believe that they may have been worn like a pair of glasses, with Joseph viewing the characters on the plates through them. This, however, is merely speculation that doesn't take into account that Joseph soon disassembled the fixture, the spacing between seer stones being too wide for his eyes. The accompanying breastplate also appeared to have been used by a larger man. Like its biblical counterpart (the High Priest's breastplate contained 12 gems that symbolized him acting as a mediator between God and Israel), the Nephite breastplate was apparently non-essential to the revelatory process.

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	~~<h5 style="color:white">Nephite interpreters</h5>~~
	{{:Question: What are the Nephite interpreters?}}		{{:Question: What are the Nephite interpreters?}}
	~~[[#Translation of the Book of Mormon\|Back to top]]~~
	~~<h5 style="color:white">Joseph Smith's seer stone</h5>~~
	{{:Question: Did Joseph Smith use the Nephite interpreters to translate? Or did he use his own seer stone?}}		{{:Question: Did Joseph Smith use the Nephite interpreters to translate? Or did he use his own seer stone?}}
	~~[[#Translation of the Book of Mormon\|Back to top]]~~
	~~<h5 style="color:white">Into a hat</h5>~~
	{{:Question: Did Joseph ever place the Nephite interpreters ("Urim and Thummim") into his hat?}}		{{:Question: Did Joseph ever place the Nephite interpreters ("Urim and Thummim") into his hat?}}
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	~~<h5 style="color:white">Biblical parallels</h5>~~
	{{:Question: Are there any Biblical parallels to Joseph's understanding of the use of seer stones?}}		{{:Question: Are there any Biblical parallels to Joseph's understanding of the use of seer stones?}}
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	=="The Spectacles, the Stone, the Hat, and the Book: A Twenty-first Century Believer’s View of the Book of Mormon Translation"==		=="The Spectacles, the Stone, the Hat, and the Book: A Twenty-first Century Believer’s View of the Book of Mormon Translation"==
	Roger Nicholson, Interpreter: A Journal of Latter-day Saint Faith and Scholarship, (June 7, 2013)		Roger Nicholson, Interpreter: A Journal of Latter-day Saint Faith and Scholarship, (June 7, 2013)

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[[#Translation of the Book of Mormon|Back to top]]
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{{:Question: Did Joseph Smith use the Nephite interpreters to translate? Or did he use his own seer stone?}}
[[#Translation of the Book of Mormon|Back to top]]
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{{:Question: Did Joseph ever place the Nephite interpreters ("Urim and Thummim") into his hat?}}
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{{:Question: Are there any Biblical parallels to Joseph's understanding of the use of seer stones?}}
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=="The Spectacles, the Stone, the Hat, and the Book: A Twenty-first Century Believer’s View of the Book of Mormon Translation"==
Roger Nicholson, Interpreter: A Journal of Latter-day Saint Faith and Scholarship, (June 7, 2013)
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This essay seeks to examine the Book of Mormon translation method from the perspective of a regular, nonscholarly, believing member in the twenty-first century, by taking into account both what is learned in Church and what can be learned from historical records that are now easily available. What do we know? What should we know? How can a believing Latter-day Saint reconcile apparently conflicting accounts of the translation process? An examination of the historical sources is used to provide us with a fuller and more complete understanding of the complexity that exists in the early events of the Restoration. These accounts come from both believing and nonbelieving sources, and some skepticism ought to be employed in choosing to accept some of the interpretations offered by some of these sources as fact. However, an examination of these sources provides a larger picture, and the answers to these questions provide an enlightening look into Church history and the evolution of the translation story. This essay focuses primarily on the methods and instruments used in the translation process and how a faithful Latter-day Saint might view these as further evidence of truthfulness of the restored Gospel.
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