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	Oliver Cowdery lived in Richmond, Mo., some 40 miles from here, at the time of his death. I went to see him and was with him for some days previous to his demise. I have never heard him deny the truth of his testimony of the Book of Mormon under any circumstances whatever. . . . Neither do I believe that he would have denied, at the peril of his life; so firm was he that he could not be made to deny what he has affirmed to be a divine revelation from God. . . .		Oliver Cowdery lived in Richmond, Mo., some 40 miles from here, at the time of his death. I went to see him and was with him for some days previous to his demise. I have never heard him deny the truth of his testimony of the Book of Mormon under any circumstances whatever. . . . Neither do I believe that he would have denied, at the peril of his life; so firm was he that he could not be made to deny what he has affirmed to be a divine revelation from God. . . .

	I have never heard that any one of the three or eight witnesses ever denied the testimony that they have borne to the Book as published in the first edition of the Book of Mormon. There are only two of the witnesses to that book now living, to wit., David Whitmer, one of the three, and John Wh[itmer], one of the eight. Our names have gone forth to all nations, tongues and people as a divine revelation from God. And it will bring to pass the designs of God according to the declaration therein contained.<ref>{{Book:Parry Peterson Welch:Echoes and Evidences of the Book of Mormon\|pages=[~~http~~://publications.~~maxwellinstitute~~.byu.edu/fullscreen/?pub=1082&index=3 Chapter 2], {{sofr}}\|author=Daniel C. Peterson\|article=Not Joseph's, and Not Modern}}</ref>		I have never heard that any one of the three or eight witnesses ever denied the testimony that they have borne to the Book as published in the first edition of the Book of Mormon. There are only two of the witnesses to that book now living, to wit., David Whitmer, one of the three, and John Wh[itmer], one of the eight. Our names have gone forth to all nations, tongues and people as a divine revelation from God. And it will bring to pass the designs of God according to the declaration therein contained.<ref>{{Book:Parry Peterson Welch:Echoes and Evidences of the Book of Mormon\|pages=[https://publications.mi.byu.edu/fullscreen/?pub=1082&index=3 Chapter 2], {{sofr}}\|author=Daniel C. Peterson\|article=Not Joseph's, and Not Modern}}</ref>
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	Said Oliver Cowdery of a testimony by John Whitmer: "A thousand things may be conjectured, but when a man declares openly, candidly, and seriously, of what he has seen, hefted and handled with his own hands, and taht in the presence of a God who sees and knows the secrets of the heart, no man possessed of common reason and common sense, can doubt, or will be so vain as to dispute."<Ref>{{MA\|author=Oliver Cowdery\|article=Conference Report\|vol=1\|date=June 1835\|pages=143}} Reproduced in {{EMD\|vol=5\|pages=250}}</ref>		Said Oliver Cowdery of a testimony by John Whitmer: "A thousand things may be conjectured, but when a man declares openly, candidly, and seriously, of what he has seen, hefted and handled with his own hands, and taht in the presence of a God who sees and knows the secrets of the heart, no man possessed of common reason and common sense, can doubt, or will be so vain as to dispute."<Ref>{{MA\|author=Oliver Cowdery\|article=Conference Report\|vol=1\|date=June 1835\|pages=143}} Reproduced in {{EMD\|vol=5\|pages=250}}</ref>
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	* "I have never heard that any one of the three, or eight witnesses ever denied the testimony that they have borne to the Book as published in the first edition of the Book of Mormon."<ref>John Whimter to Mark H. Forest [Forscutt], 5 March 1876, Whitmer Papers, Community of Christ Library-Archives; in {{EMD\|vol=5\|pages=243}}</ref>		<blockquote>
			"I have never heard that any one of the three, or eight witnesses ever denied the testimony that they have borne to the Book as published in the first edition of the Book of Mormon."<ref>John Whimter to Mark H. Forest [Forscutt], 5 March 1876, Whitmer Papers, Community of Christ Library-Archives; in {{EMD\|vol=5\|pages=243}}</ref>
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	* I conclude you have read the Book of Mormon, together with the testimonies <underline>that</underline> are thereto attached; in which testimonies you read my name subscribed as one of the Eight witnesses to said Book. That <underline>testimony was</underline>, is, and <underline>will</underline> be <underline>true</underline> henceforth and forever."<ref>John Whitmer to Herman C. Smith, 11 December 1876, Artificial Collection, Community of CHrist Library-Archives; in {{EMD\|vol=5\|pages=244}}</ref>		<blockquote>
			I conclude you have read the Book of Mormon, together with the testimonies <underline>that</underline> are thereto attached; in which testimonies you read my name subscribed as one of the Eight witnesses to said Book. That <underline>testimony was</underline>, is, and <underline>will</underline> be <underline>true</underline> henceforth and forever."<ref>John Whitmer to Herman C. Smith, 11 December 1876, Artificial Collection, Community of CHrist Library-Archives; in {{EMD\|vol=5\|pages=244}}</ref>
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	* "Mr. [John] Whitmer is considered a truthful, honest and law abiding citizen by this community, and consequently, his appointment [to preach] drew out a large audience. Mr. Whitmer stated that he had often handled the identical ''golden plates'' which Mr. Smith received from the angel...."<ref>"I.C. Funn," [John Whitmer Testimony], ''Kingston'' (MO) ''Sentinel'', ca. January 1878, reprinted in ''Saints' Herald'' 25 (15 February 1878): 57; cited in {{EMD\|vol=5\|pages=245}}</ref>		<blockquote>
			"Mr. [John] Whitmer is considered a truthful, honest and law abiding citizen by this community, and consequently, his appointment [to preach] drew out a large audience. Mr. Whitmer stated that he had often handled the identical ''golden plates'' which Mr. Smith received from the angel...."<ref>"I.C. Funn," [John Whitmer Testimony], ''Kingston'' (MO) ''Sentinel'', ca. January 1878, reprinted in ''Saints' Herald'' 25 (15 February 1878): 57; cited in {{EMD\|vol=5\|pages=245}}</ref>
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	* Said Oliver Cowdery of a testimony by John Whitmer: "A thousand things may be conjectured, but when a man declares openly, candidly, and seriously, of what he has seen, hefted and handled with his own hands, and taht in the presence of a God who sees and knows the secrets of the heart, no man possessed of common reason and common sense, can doubt, or will be so vain as to dispute."<Ref>{{MA\|author=Oliver Cowdery\|article=Conference Report\|vol=1\|date=June 1835\|pages=143}} Reproduced in {{EMD\|vol=5\|pages=250}}</ref>		<blockquote>
			Said Oliver Cowdery of a testimony by John Whitmer: "A thousand things may be conjectured, but when a man declares openly, candidly, and seriously, of what he has seen, hefted and handled with his own hands, and taht in the presence of a God who sees and knows the secrets of the heart, no man possessed of common reason and common sense, can doubt, or will be so vain as to dispute."<Ref>{{MA\|author=Oliver Cowdery\|article=Conference Report\|vol=1\|date=June 1835\|pages=143}} Reproduced in {{EMD\|vol=5\|pages=250}}</ref>
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	* [Theodore] Turley said, ‘Gentlemen, I presume there are men here who have heard [John] Corrill say, that Mormonism was true, that Joseph Smith was a prophet, and inspired of God. I now call upon you, John Whitmer: you say Corrill is a moral and a good man; do you believe him when he says the Book of Mormon is true, or when he says it is not true? There are many things published that they say are true, and again turn around and say they are false.’ Whitmer asked, ‘Do you hint at me?’ Turley replied, ‘If the cap fits you, wear it; all I know is that you have published to the world that an angel did present those plates to Joseph Smith.’ Whitmer replied: ‘I now say, I handled those plates; there were fine engravings on both sides. I handled them;’ and he described how they were hung [on rings], and [said] ‘they were shown to me by a supernatural power;’ he acknowledged all.<ref>"Theodore Turley's Memorandums," Church Archives, handwriting of Thomas Bullock, who began clerking in late 1843; cited in {{EarlyMormonDocs1\|vol=5\|start=241}}; see also with minor editing in {{HoC\|vol=3\|start=307\|end=308}}</ref>		<blockquote>
			[Theodore] Turley said, ‘Gentlemen, I presume there are men here who have heard [John] Corrill say, that Mormonism was true, that Joseph Smith was a prophet, and inspired of God. I now call upon you, John Whitmer: you say Corrill is a moral and a good man; do you believe him when he says the Book of Mormon is true, or when he says it is not true? There are many things published that they say are true, and again turn around and say they are false.’ Whitmer asked, ‘Do you hint at me?’ Turley replied, ‘If the cap fits you, wear it; all I know is that you have published to the world that an angel did present those plates to Joseph Smith.’ Whitmer replied: ‘I now say, I handled those plates; there were fine engravings on both sides. I handled them;’ and he described how they were hung [on rings], and [said] ‘they were shown to me by a supernatural power;’ he acknowledged all.<ref>"Theodore Turley's Memorandums," Church Archives, handwriting of Thomas Bullock, who began clerking in late 1843; cited in {{EarlyMormonDocs1\|vol=5\|start=241}}; see also with minor editing in {{HoC\|vol=3\|start=307\|end=308}}</ref>
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	* In 1876, John Whitmer wrote a lengthy letter to Mark Forscutt, which included the following:		In 1876, John Whitmer wrote a lengthy letter to Mark Forscutt, which included the following:
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	Oliver Cowdery lived in Richmond, Mo., some 40 miles from here, at the time of his death. I went to see him and was with him for some days previous to his demise. I have never heard him deny the truth of his testimony of the Book of Mormon under any circumstances whatever. . . . Neither do I believe that he would have denied, at the peril of his life; so firm was he that he could not be made to deny what he has affirmed to be a divine revelation from God. . . .		Oliver Cowdery lived in Richmond, Mo., some 40 miles from here, at the time of his death. I went to see him and was with him for some days previous to his demise. I have never heard him deny the truth of his testimony of the Book of Mormon under any circumstances whatever. . . . Neither do I believe that he would have denied, at the peril of his life; so firm was he that he could not be made to deny what he has affirmed to be a divine revelation from God. . . .

	I have never heard that any one of the three or eight witnesses ever denied the testimony that they have borne to the Book as published in the first edition of the Book of Mormon. There are only two of the witnesses to that book now living, to wit., David Whitmer, one of the three, and John Wh[itmer], one of the eight. Our names have gone forth to all nations, tongues and people as a divine revelation from God. And it will bring to pass the designs of God according to the declaration therein contained.<ref>{{Book:Parry Peterson Welch:Echoes and Evidences of the Book of Mormon\|pages=[http://publications.maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/fullscreen/?pub=1082&index=3 Chapter 2], {{sofr}}\|author=Daniel C. Peterson\|article=Not Joseph's, and Not Modern}}</ref></blockquote>		I have never heard that any one of the three or eight witnesses ever denied the testimony that they have borne to the Book as published in the first edition of the Book of Mormon. There are only two of the witnesses to that book now living, to wit., David Whitmer, one of the three, and John Wh[itmer], one of the eight. Our names have gone forth to all nations, tongues and people as a divine revelation from God. And it will bring to pass the designs of God according to the declaration therein contained.<ref>{{Book:Parry Peterson Welch:Echoes and Evidences of the Book of Mormon\|pages=[http://publications.maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/fullscreen/?pub=1082&index=3 Chapter 2], {{sofr}}\|author=Daniel C. Peterson\|article=Not Joseph's, and Not Modern}}</ref>
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	* [O]ld Father Whitmer told me last winter, with tears in his eyes, that he knew as well as he knew he had an existence that Joseph translated the ancient writing which was upon the plates, which he 'saw and handled,' and which, as one of the scribes, he helped to copy, as the words fell from Joseph's lips, by supernatural or almighty power"<ref>Myron H. Bond to Editors, 2 August 1878 in ''Saints' Herald'' 25 (15 August 1878): 253; in {{EMD\|vol=5\|start=251}}</ref>		<blockquote>
			[O]ld Father Whitmer told me last winter, with tears in his eyes, that he knew as well as he knew he had an existence that Joseph translated the ancient writing which was upon the plates, which he 'saw and handled,' and which, as one of the scribes, he helped to copy, as the words fell from Joseph's lips, by supernatural or almighty power"<ref>Myron H. Bond to Editors, 2 August 1878 in ''Saints' Herald'' 25 (15 August 1878): 253; in {{EMD\|vol=5\|start=251}}</ref>
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			It may not be amiss in this place, to give a statement to the world concerning the work of the Lord, as I have been a member of this church of Latter Day Saints from its beginning; to say that the book of Mormon is a revelation from God, I have no hesitancy; but ''with all confidence have signed my named to it as such''; and I hope, that my patrons will indulge me in speaking freely on this subject, as I am about leaving the editorial department. Therefore I desire to testify to all that will come to the knowledge of this address; that I have most assuredly ''seen the plates from whence the book of Mormon is translated, and that I have handled these plates, and know of a surety that Joseph Smith, jr. has translated the book of Mormon by the gift and power of God'', and in this thing the wisdom of the wise most assuredly has perished: therefore, know ye, O ye inhabitants of the earth, wherever this address may come, that I have in this thing freed my garments of your blood, whether you believe or disbelieve the statements of your unworthy friend and well-wisher.<ref>{{MAfairwiki\|author=John Whitmer\|article=[http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/BOMP&CISOPTR=1205&REC=3 Address To the patrons of the Latter Day Saints' Messenger and Advocate]\|vol=2\|date=March 1836\|num=6\|start=286\|end=287}} {{ia}}</ref>
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	* John Whitmer's final interview:		<!-- <blockquote>
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			==John Whitmer's final interview, years after he had left the Church==

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	* Witness after leaving Church:

	<blockquote>It may not be amiss in this place, to give a statement to the world concerning the work of the Lord, as I have been a member of this church of Latter Day Saints from its beginning; to say that the book of Mormon is a revelation from God, I have no hesitancy; but ''with all confidence have signed my named to it as such''; and I hope, that my patrons will indulge me in speaking freely on this subject, as I am about leaving the editorial department. Therefore I desire to testify to all that will come to the knowledge of this address; that I have most assuredly ''seen the plates from whence the book of Mormon is translated, and that I have handled these plates, and know of a surety that Joseph Smith, jr. has translated the book of Mormon by the gift and power of God'', and in this thing the wisdom of the wise most assuredly has perished: therefore, know ye, O ye inhabitants of the earth, wherever this address may come, that I have in this thing freed my garments of your blood, whether you believe or disbelieve the statements of your unworthy friend and well-wisher.<ref>{{MAfairwiki\|author=John Whitmer\|article=[http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/BOMP&CISOPTR=1205&REC=3 Address To the patrons of the Latter Day Saints' Messenger and Advocate]\|vol=2\|date=March 1836\|num=6\|start=286\|end=287}} {{ia}}</ref></blockquote>

	* Why, then, did Whiter apostatize? He rationalized his choice to disbelieve the ''translation'' of the Book of Mormon (despite knowing that the plates were literal and physical) thusly:

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	I cannot read it, and I do not know whether it is true or not.<ref>"Theodore Turley's Memorandums," Church Archives, handwriting of Thomas Bullock, who began clerking in late 1843; cited in {{EarlyMormonDocs1\|vol=5\|start=241}}; see also with minor editing in {{HoC\|vol=3\|start=307\|end=308}}</ref>
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	Oliver Cowdery lived in Richmond, Mo., some 40 miles from here, at the time of his death. I went to see him and was with him for some days previous to his demise. I have never heard him deny the truth of his testimony of the Book of Mormon under any circumstances whatever. . . . Neither do I believe that he would have denied, at the peril of his life; so firm was he that he could not be made to deny what he has affirmed to be a divine revelation from God. . . .		Oliver Cowdery lived in Richmond, Mo., some 40 miles from here, at the time of his death. I went to see him and was with him for some days previous to his demise. I have never heard him deny the truth of his testimony of the Book of Mormon under any circumstances whatever. . . . Neither do I believe that he would have denied, at the peril of his life; so firm was he that he could not be made to deny what he has affirmed to be a divine revelation from God. . . .

	I have never heard that any one of the three or eight witnesses ever denied the testimony that they have borne to the Book as published in the first edition of the Book of Mormon. There are only two of the witnesses to that book now living, to wit., David Whitmer, one of the three, and John Wh[itmer], one of the eight. Our names have gone forth to all nations, tongues and people as a divine revelation from God. And it will bring to pass the designs of God according to the declaration therein contained.<ref>{{Book:Parry Peterson Welch:Echoes and Evidences of the Book of Mormon\|pages=[http://publications.maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/fullscreen/?pub=1082&index=3 Chapter 2], {{sofr}}\|author=Daniel C. Peterson\|article=Not Joseph's, and Not Modern}}</ref>		I have never heard that any one of the three or eight witnesses ever denied the testimony that they have borne to the Book as published in the first edition of the Book of Mormon. There are only two of the witnesses to that book now living, to wit., David Whitmer, one of the three, and John Wh[itmer], one of the eight. Our names have gone forth to all nations, tongues and people as a divine revelation from God. And it will bring to pass the designs of God according to the declaration therein contained.<ref>{{Book:Parry Peterson Welch:Echoes and Evidences of the Book of Mormon\|pages=[http://publications.maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/fullscreen/?pub=1082&index=3 Chapter 2], {{sofr}}\|author=Daniel C. Peterson\|article=Not Joseph's, and Not Modern}}</ref></blockquote>

	* [O]ld Father Whitmer told me last winter, with tears in his eyes, that he knew as well as he knew he had an existence that Joseph translated the ancient writing which was upon the plates, which he 'saw and handled,' and which, as one of the scribes, he helped to copy, as the words fell from Joseph's lips, by supernatural or almighty power"<ref>Myron H. Bond to Editors, 2 August 1878 in ''Saints' Herald'' 25 (15 August 1878): 253; in {{EMD\|vol=5\|start=251}}</ref>		* [O]ld Father Whitmer told me last winter, with tears in his eyes, that he knew as well as he knew he had an existence that Joseph translated the ancient writing which was upon the plates, which he 'saw and handled,' and which, as one of the scribes, he helped to copy, as the words fell from Joseph's lips, by supernatural or almighty power"<ref>Myron H. Bond to Editors, 2 August 1878 in ''Saints' Herald'' 25 (15 August 1878): 253; in {{EMD\|vol=5\|start=251}}</ref>

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	* [Theodore] Turley said, ‘Gentlemen, I presume there are men here who have heard [John] Corrill say, that Mormonism was true, that Joseph Smith was a prophet, and inspired of God. I now call upon you, John Whitmer: you say Corrill is a moral and a good man; do you believe him when he says the Book of Mormon is true, or when he says it is not true? There are many things published that they say are true, and again turn around and say they are false.’ Whitmer asked, ‘Do you hint at me?’ Turley replied, ‘If the cap fits you, wear it; all I know is that you have published to the world that an angel did present those plates to Joseph Smith.’ Whitmer replied: ‘I now say, I handled those plates; there were fine engravings on both sides. I handled them;’ and he described how they were hung [on rings], and [said] ‘they were shown to me by a supernatural power;’ he acknowledged all.<ref>"Theodore Turley's Memorandums," Church Archives, handwriting of Thomas Bullock, who began clerking in late 1843; cited in {{EarlyMormonDocs1\|vol=5\|start=241}}; see also with minor editing in {{HoC\|vol=3\|start=307\|end=308}}</ref>		* [Theodore] Turley said, ‘Gentlemen, I presume there are men here who have heard [John] Corrill say, that Mormonism was true, that Joseph Smith was a prophet, and inspired of God. I now call upon you, John Whitmer: you say Corrill is a moral and a good man; do you believe him when he says the Book of Mormon is true, or when he says it is not true? There are many things published that they say are true, and again turn around and say they are false.’ Whitmer asked, ‘Do you hint at me?’ Turley replied, ‘If the cap fits you, wear it; all I know is that you have published to the world that an angel did present those plates to Joseph Smith.’ Whitmer replied: ‘I now say, I handled those plates; there were fine engravings on both sides. I handled them;’ and he described how they were hung [on rings], and [said] ‘they were shown to me by a supernatural power;’ he acknowledged all.<ref>"Theodore Turley's Memorandums," Church Archives, handwriting of Thomas Bullock, who began clerking in late 1843; cited in {{EarlyMormonDocs1\|vol=5\|start=241}}; see also with minor editing in {{HoC\|vol=3\|start=307\|end=308}}</ref>

			* In 1876, John Whitmer wrote a lengthy letter to Mark Forscutt, which included the following:
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			Oliver Cowdery lived in Richmond, Mo., some 40 miles from here, at the time of his death. I went to see him and was with him for some days previous to his demise. I have never heard him deny the truth of his testimony of the Book of Mormon under any circumstances whatever. . . . Neither do I believe that he would have denied, at the peril of his life; so firm was he that he could not be made to deny what he has affirmed to be a divine revelation from God. . . .

			I have never heard that any one of the three or eight witnesses ever denied the testimony that they have borne to the Book as published in the first edition of the Book of Mormon. There are only two of the witnesses to that book now living, to wit., David Whitmer, one of the three, and John Wh[itmer], one of the eight. Our names have gone forth to all nations, tongues and people as a divine revelation from God. And it will bring to pass the designs of God according to the declaration therein contained.<ref>{{Book:Parry Peterson Welch:Echoes and Evidences of the Book of Mormon\|pages=[http://publications.maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/fullscreen/?pub=1082&index=3 Chapter 2], {{sofr}}\|author=Daniel C. Peterson\|article=Not Joseph's, and Not Modern}}</ref>

	* [O]ld Father Whitmer told me last winter, with tears in his eyes, that he knew as well as he knew he had an existence that Joseph translated the ancient writing which was upon the plates, which he 'saw and handled,' and which, as one of the scribes, he helped to copy, as the words fell from Joseph's lips, by supernatural or almighty power"<ref>Myron H. Bond to Editors, 2 August 1878 in ''Saints' Herald'' 25 (15 August 1878): 253; in {{EMD\|vol=5\|start=251}}</ref>		* [O]ld Father Whitmer told me last winter, with tears in his eyes, that he knew as well as he knew he had an existence that Joseph translated the ancient writing which was upon the plates, which he 'saw and handled,' and which, as one of the scribes, he helped to copy, as the words fell from Joseph's lips, by supernatural or almighty power"<ref>Myron H. Bond to Editors, 2 August 1878 in ''Saints' Herald'' 25 (15 August 1878): 253; in {{EMD\|vol=5\|start=251}}</ref>

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	* Said Oliver Cowdery of a testimony by John Whitmer: "A thousand things may be conjectured, but when a man declares openly, candidly, and seriously, of what he has seen, hefted and handled with his own hands, and taht in the presence of a God who sees and knows the secrets of the heart, no man possessed of common reason and common sense, can doubt, or will be so vain as to dispute."<Ref>{{MA\|author=Oliver Cowdery\|article=Conference Report\|vol=1\|date=June 1835\|pages=143}} Reproduced in {{EMD\|vol=5\|pages=250}}</ref>		* Said Oliver Cowdery of a testimony by John Whitmer: "A thousand things may be conjectured, but when a man declares openly, candidly, and seriously, of what he has seen, hefted and handled with his own hands, and taht in the presence of a God who sees and knows the secrets of the heart, no man possessed of common reason and common sense, can doubt, or will be so vain as to dispute."<Ref>{{MA\|author=Oliver Cowdery\|article=Conference Report\|vol=1\|date=June 1835\|pages=143}} Reproduced in {{EMD\|vol=5\|pages=250}}</ref>

	* [Theodore] Turley said, ‘Gentlemen, I presume there are men here who have heard [John] Corrill say, that Mormonism was true, that Joseph Smith was a prophet, and inspired of God. I now call upon you, John Whitmer: you say Corrill is a moral and a good man; do you believe him when he says the Book of Mormon is true, or when he says it is not true? There are many things published that they say are true, and again turn around and say they are false.’ Whitmer asked, ‘Do you hint at me?’ Turley replied, ‘If the cap fits you, wear it; all I know is that you have published to the world that an angel did present those plates to Joseph Smith.’ Whitmer replied: ‘I now say, ~~<font color="blue">~~I handled those plates; there were fine engravings on both sides~~</font>~~. I handled them;’ and he described how they were hung [on rings], and [said] ~~‘<font color="red">they~~ were shown to me by a supernatural power~~</font>~~;’ he acknowledged all.<ref>"Theodore Turley's Memorandums," Church Archives, handwriting of Thomas Bullock, who began clerking in late 1843; cited in {{EarlyMormonDocs1\|vol=5\|start=241}}; see also with minor editing in {{HoC\|vol=3\|start=307\|end=308}}</ref>		* [Theodore] Turley said, ‘Gentlemen, I presume there are men here who have heard [John] Corrill say, that Mormonism was true, that Joseph Smith was a prophet, and inspired of God. I now call upon you, John Whitmer: you say Corrill is a moral and a good man; do you believe him when he says the Book of Mormon is true, or when he says it is not true? There are many things published that they say are true, and again turn around and say they are false.’ Whitmer asked, ‘Do you hint at me?’ Turley replied, ‘If the cap fits you, wear it; all I know is that you have published to the world that an angel did present those plates to Joseph Smith.’ Whitmer replied: ‘I now say, I handled those plates; there were fine engravings on both sides. I handled them;’ and he described how they were hung [on rings], and [said] ‘they were shown to me by a supernatural power;’ he acknowledged all.<ref>"Theodore Turley's Memorandums," Church Archives, handwriting of Thomas Bullock, who began clerking in late 1843; cited in {{EarlyMormonDocs1\|vol=5\|start=241}}; see also with minor editing in {{HoC\|vol=3\|start=307\|end=308}}</ref>

	* [O]ld Father Whitmer told me last winter, with tears in his eyes, that he knew as well as he knew he had an existence that Joseph translated the ancient writing which was upon the plates, which he 'saw and handled,' and which, as one of the scribes, he helped to copy, as the words fell from Joseph's lips, by supernatural or almighty power"<ref>Myron H. Bond to Editors, 2 August 1878 in ''Saints' Herald'' 25 (15 August 1878): 253; in {{EMD\|vol=5\|start=251}}</ref>		* [O]ld Father Whitmer told me last winter, with tears in his eyes, that he knew as well as he knew he had an existence that Joseph translated the ancient writing which was upon the plates, which he 'saw and handled,' and which, as one of the scribes, he helped to copy, as the words fell from Joseph's lips, by supernatural or almighty power"<ref>Myron H. Bond to Editors, 2 August 1878 in ''Saints' Herald'' 25 (15 August 1878): 253; in {{EMD\|vol=5\|start=251}}</ref>

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==John Whitmer statements as one of the Eight Witnesses==

* "I have never heard that any one of the three, or eight witnesses ever denied the testimony that they have borne to the Book as published in the first edition of the Book of Mormon."<ref>John Whimter to Mark H. Forest [Forscutt], 5 March 1876, Whitmer Papers, Community of Christ Library-Archives; in {{EMD|vol=5|pages=243}}</ref>

* I conclude you have read the Book of Mormon, together with the testimonies <underline>that</underline> are thereto attached; in which testimonies you read my name subscribed as one of the Eight witnesses to said Book. That <underline>testimony was</underline>, is, and <underline>will</underline> be <underline>true</underline> henceforth and forever."<ref>John Whitmer to Herman C. Smith, 11 December 1876, Artificial Collection, Community of CHrist Library-Archives; in {{EMD|vol=5|pages=244}}</ref>

* "Mr. [John] Whitmer is considered a truthful, honest and law abiding citizen by this community, and consequently, his appointment [to preach] drew out a large audience. Mr. Whitmer stated that he had often handled the identical ''golden plates'' which Mr. Smith received from the angel...."<ref>"I.C. Funn," [John Whitmer Testimony], ''Kingston'' (MO) ''Sentinel'', ca. January 1878, reprinted in ''Saints' Herald'' 25 (15 February 1878): 57; cited in {{EMD|vol=5|pages=245}}</ref>

* Said Oliver Cowdery of a testimony by John Whitmer: "A thousand things may be conjectured, but when a man declares openly, candidly, and seriously, of what he has seen, hefted and handled with his own hands, and taht in the presence of a God who sees and knows the secrets of the heart, no man possessed of common reason and common sense, can doubt, or will be so vain as to dispute."<Ref>{{MA|author=Oliver Cowdery|article=Conference Report|vol=1|date=June 1835|pages=143}} Reproduced in {{EMD|vol=5|pages=250}}</ref>

* [Theodore] Turley said, ‘Gentlemen, I presume there are men here who have heard [John] Corrill say, that Mormonism was true, that Joseph Smith was a prophet, and inspired of God. I now call upon you, John Whitmer: you say Corrill is a moral and a good man; do you believe him when he says the Book of Mormon is true, or when he says it is not true? There are many things published that they say are true, and again turn around and say they are false.’ Whitmer asked, ‘Do you hint at me?’ Turley replied, ‘If the cap fits you, wear it; all I know is that you have published to the world that an angel did present those plates to Joseph Smith.’ Whitmer replied: ‘I now say, <font color="blue">I handled those plates; there were fine engravings on both sides</font>. I handled them;’ and he described how they were hung [on rings], and [said] ‘<font color="red">they were shown to me by a supernatural power</font>;’ he acknowledged all.<ref>"Theodore Turley's Memorandums," Church Archives, handwriting of Thomas Bullock, who began clerking in late 1843; cited in {{EarlyMormonDocs1|vol=5|start=241}}; see also with minor editing in {{HoC|vol=3|start=307|end=308}}</ref>

* [O]ld Father Whitmer told me last winter, with tears in his eyes, that he knew as well as he knew he had an existence that Joseph translated the ancient writing which was upon the plates, which he 'saw and handled,' and which, as one of the scribes, he helped to copy, as the words fell from Joseph's lips, by supernatural or almighty power"<ref>Myron H. Bond to Editors, 2 August 1878 in ''Saints' Herald'' 25 (15 August 1878): 253; in {{EMD|vol=5|start=251}}</ref>

* John Whitmer's final interview:

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I said: I am aware that your name is affixed to the testimony in the Book of Mormon, that you saw the plates? He–It is so, and that testimony is true. I–Did you handle the plates with your hands?

He–I did so!

I–Then they were a material substance?

He–Yes, as material as anything can be.

I–They were heavy to lift?

He–Yes, and you know gold is a heavy metal, they were very heavy.

I–How big were the leaves?

He–So far as I recollect, 8 by 6 or 7 inches.

I–Were the leaves thick? He–Yes, just so thick, that characters could be engraven on both sides.

I–How were the leaves joined together?

He–In three rings, each one in the shape of a D with the straight line towards the centre. I-In what place did you see the plates.

He-In Joseph Smith's house; he had them there.

I–Did you see them covered with a cloth?

He–No. He handed them uncovered into our hands, and we turned the leaves sufficient to satisfy us.

I-Were you all eight witnesses present at the same time?

He-No. At that time Joseph showed the plates to us, we were four persons, present in the room, and at another time he showed them to four persons more....

when Joseph Smith [III]...sent word to John Whitmer to reaffirm his testimony, his answer was: 'I have never recalled it, and I have nothing to reaffirm.'<ref>{{EarlyMormonDocs|vol=5|start=247|end=249}}, original in ''Deseret Evening News'', 6 August 1878; citing a letter from P. Wilhelm Poulson to Editors (31 July 1878) from Ovid City, Idaho.</ref>
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* Witness after leaving Church:

<blockquote>It may not be amiss in this place, to give a statement to the world concerning the work of the Lord, as I have been a member of this church of Latter Day Saints from its beginning; to say that the book of Mormon is a revelation from God, I have no hesitancy; but ''with all confidence have signed my named to it as such''; and I hope, that my patrons will indulge me in speaking freely on this subject, as I am about leaving the editorial department. Therefore I desire to testify to all that will come to the knowledge of this address; that I have most assuredly ''seen the plates from whence the book of Mormon is translated, and that I have handled these plates, and know of a surety that Joseph Smith, jr. has translated the book of Mormon by the gift and power of God'', and in this thing the wisdom of the wise most assuredly has perished: therefore, know ye, O ye inhabitants of the earth, wherever this address may come, that I have in this thing freed my garments of your blood, whether you believe or disbelieve the statements of your unworthy friend and well-wisher.<ref>{{MAfairwiki|author=John Whitmer|article=[http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/BOMP&CISOPTR=1205&REC=3 Address To the patrons of the Latter Day Saints' Messenger and Advocate]|vol=2|date=March 1836|num=6|start=286|end=287}} {{ia}}</ref></blockquote>

* Why, then, did Whiter apostatize? He rationalized his choice to disbelieve the ''translation'' of the Book of Mormon (despite knowing that the plates were literal and physical) thusly:

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I cannot read it, and I do not know whether it is true or not.<ref>"Theodore Turley's Memorandums," Church Archives, handwriting of Thomas Bullock, who began clerking in late 1843; cited in {{EarlyMormonDocs1|vol=5|start=241}}; see also with minor editing in {{HoC|vol=3|start=307|end=308}}</ref>
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