Faking The Book of Mormon - Revision history

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			Various computerized analysis of the Book of Mormon produces a U.S. reading grade level of 8-17.5, despite his limited education<ref>https://www.mormoninterpreter.com/curiously-unique-joseph-smith-as-author-of-the-book-of-mormon</ref>. "Word Pattern" studies show the Book of Mormon had [[Wordprint_Studies_Of_The_Book_of_Mormon\|many authors]], none of which match Joseph's writing style, or any of his associates.

	There are 175 new characters/groups, 125 [[:Category:Book_of_Mormon/Geography\|locations]], dozens of stories and [[:Category:Book_of_Mormon/Doctrine\|doctrines]] Joseph Smith had to keep straight. <ref>https://www.mormoninterpreter.com/curiously-unique-joseph-smith-as-author-of-the-book-of-mormon</ref> Yet there is not one witness that he took any notes, or had an editor, or used a mound of reference books from the library.<ref>https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2017/10/gods-compelling-witness-the-book-of-mormon?lang=eng</ref> Paper was very expensive in the 1820s, drafts would have been very costly and difficult to hide. All we have is the original text dictated without punctuation to a scribe onto paper which could not be erased or edited with software.		There are 175 new characters/groups, 125 [[:Category:Book_of_Mormon/Geography\|locations]], dozens of stories and [[:Category:Book_of_Mormon/Doctrine\|doctrines]] Joseph Smith had to keep straight. <ref>https://www.mormoninterpreter.com/curiously-unique-joseph-smith-as-author-of-the-book-of-mormon</ref> Yet there is not one witness that he took any notes, or had an editor, or used a mound of reference books from the library.<ref>https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2017/10/gods-compelling-witness-the-book-of-mormon?lang=eng</ref> Paper was very expensive in the 1820s, drafts would have been very costly and difficult to hide. All we have is the original text dictated without punctuation to a scribe onto paper which could not be erased or edited with software.

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	There are 175 new characters/groups, [[:Category:Book_of_Mormon/Geography\|~~125~~ locations]], ~~many~~ stories and [[:Category:Book_of_Mormon/Doctrine\|doctrines]] Joseph Smith had to keep straight. <ref>https://www.mormoninterpreter.com/curiously-unique-joseph-smith-as-author-of-the-book-of-mormon</ref> Yet there is not one witness that he took any notes, or had an editor, or used a mound of reference books from the library.<ref>https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2017/10/gods-compelling-witness-the-book-of-mormon?lang=eng</ref> Paper was very expensive in the 1820s, drafts would have been very costly and difficult to hide. All we have is the original text dictated without punctuation to a scribe onto paper which could not be erased or edited with software.		There are 175 new characters/groups, 125 [[:Category:Book_of_Mormon/Geography\|locations]], dozens of stories and [[:Category:Book_of_Mormon/Doctrine\|doctrines]] Joseph Smith had to keep straight. <ref>https://www.mormoninterpreter.com/curiously-unique-joseph-smith-as-author-of-the-book-of-mormon</ref> Yet there is not one witness that he took any notes, or had an editor, or used a mound of reference books from the library.<ref>https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2017/10/gods-compelling-witness-the-book-of-mormon?lang=eng</ref> Paper was very expensive in the 1820s, drafts would have been very costly and difficult to hide. All we have is the original text dictated without punctuation to a scribe onto paper which could not be erased or edited with software.

	<blockquote>His wife Emma recalled: “He had neither manuscript nor book to read from. … If he had had anything of the kind he could not have concealed it from me.”<ref>https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2017/10/gods-compelling-witness-the-book-of-mormon?lang=eng</ref></blockquote>		<blockquote>His wife Emma recalled: “He had neither manuscript nor book to read from. … If he had had anything of the kind he could not have concealed it from me.”<ref>https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2017/10/gods-compelling-witness-the-book-of-mormon?lang=eng</ref></blockquote>

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The Book of Mormon is large

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	===The Book of Mormon is large===		===The Book of Mormon is large===
	If you remove quotes from the Bible, the Book of Mormon has about 258k words, ~~while there are~~ 184k words in the New Testament, and 77k in the Quran and the first Harry Potter novel ~~(1/3 the size of the Book of Mormon)~~. ~~Why~~ would ~~Joseph~~ write so much and risk critics finding errors?<ref>https://mormonclues.home.blog/2018/12/08/the-impossible-logistics-of-faking-the-book-of-mormon/</ref>		If you remove quotes from the Bible, the Book of Mormon has about 258k words, compared to 184k words in the New Testament, and 77k in the Quran and the first Harry Potter novel. If Joseph just wanted a simple "sign" to fool his followers, why would he write so much and risk critics finding errors?<ref>https://mormonclues.home.blog/2018/12/08/the-impossible-logistics-of-faking-the-book-of-mormon/</ref>

	===It was translated in 2-3 months===		===It was translated in 2-3 months===

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Summary

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	This was adapted from these articles:		This was adapted from these articles:
	https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2017/10/gods-compelling-witness-the-book-of-mormon?lang=eng		https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2017/10/gods-compelling-witness-the-book-of-mormon?lang=eng
	~~http~~://mormonclues.~~com~~/~~index~~.~~php~~/~~faking~~-the-book-of-mormon/		https://mormonclues.home.blog/2018/12/08/the-impossible-logistics-of-faking-the-book-of-mormon/
			https://www.mormoninterpreter.com/curiously-unique-joseph-smith-as-author-of-the-book-of-mormon/




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	There are ~~several hundred~~ characters, [[:Category:Book_of_Mormon/Geography\|locations]], stories and [[:Category:Book_of_Mormon/Doctrine\|doctrines]] Joseph Smith had to keep straight. Yet there is not one witness that he took any notes, or had an editor, or ~~read~~ a mound of reference books from the library.<ref>https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2017/10/gods-compelling-witness-the-book-of-mormon?lang=eng</ref> All we have is the original text dictated without punctuation to a scribe onto paper which could not be erased or edited with software.		There are 175 new characters/groups, [[:Category:Book_of_Mormon/Geography\|125 locations]], many stories and [[:Category:Book_of_Mormon/Doctrine\|doctrines]] Joseph Smith had to keep straight. <ref>https://www.mormoninterpreter.com/curiously-unique-joseph-smith-as-author-of-the-book-of-mormon</ref> Yet there is not one witness that he took any notes, or had an editor, or used a mound of reference books from the library.<ref>https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2017/10/gods-compelling-witness-the-book-of-mormon?lang=eng</ref> Paper was very expensive in the 1820s, drafts would have been very costly and difficult to hide. All we have is the original text dictated without punctuation to a scribe onto paper which could not be erased or edited with software.

	<blockquote>~~In fact, his~~ wife Emma recalled: “He had neither manuscript nor book to read from. … If he had had anything of the kind he could not have concealed it from me.”<ref>https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2017/10/gods-compelling-witness-the-book-of-mormon?lang=eng</ref></blockquote>		<blockquote>His wife Emma recalled: “He had neither manuscript nor book to read from. … If he had had anything of the kind he could not have concealed it from me.”<ref>https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2017/10/gods-compelling-witness-the-book-of-mormon?lang=eng</ref></blockquote>

	===It has impactful, unique spiritual content===		===It has impactful, unique spiritual content===

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It was translated in 2-3 months

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	===It was translated in 2-3 months===		===It was translated in 2-3 months===
	Due to many historical accounts, we know the Book of Mormon was [https://www.lds.org/ensign/1988/01/i-have-a-question?lang=eng translated over a span of 85 days, or about 65 days] of full time work. That pace is about [[:Category:Book_of_Mormon/Translation/Speed\|2 months of full time translating]]. The ~~famous~~ LDS scholar Hugh Nibley challenged his students at Brigham Young University to write an entire book of scripture in a semester. Nobody succeeded.		Due to many historical accounts, we know the Book of Mormon was [https://www.lds.org/ensign/1988/01/i-have-a-question?lang=eng translated over a span of 85 days, or about 65 days] of full time work. That pace is about [[:Category:Book_of_Mormon/Translation/Speed\|2 months of full time translating]]. At the average ballpoint pen writing speed of 13 words per minute, it would take about 6 hours per day<ref>https://www.mormoninterpreter.com/curiously-unique-joseph-smith-as-author-of-the-book-of-mormon</ref> to just write the words with a pen, and slower with quill and ink, with no time to invent new plot points. If he were lying in his journals and to his friends about his whereabouts to make his story look consistent for future generations, the math of his pace was right on. The LDS scholar Hugh Nibley challenged his students at Brigham Young University to write an entire book of scripture in a semester. Nobody succeeded.

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The Book of Mormon is large

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	===The Book of Mormon is large===		===The Book of Mormon is large===
	~~By counting pages~~, the Book of Mormon is about ~~30% larger than~~ the New Testament~~. By counting words~~, ~~it has about 268k words. That is about 3x~~ the ~~size of~~ the first Harry Potter novel~~, which has about 77k words~~.<ref>~~http~~://mormonclues.~~com~~/~~index.php~~/faking-the-book-of-mormon/</ref>		If you remove quotes from the Bible, the Book of Mormon has about 258k words, while there are 184k words in the New Testament, and 77k in the Quran and the first Harry Potter novel (1/3 the size of the Book of Mormon). Why would Joseph write so much and risk critics finding errors?<ref>https://mormonclues.home.blog/2018/12/08/the-impossible-logistics-of-faking-the-book-of-mormon/</ref>

	===It was translated in 2-3 months===		===It was translated in 2-3 months===

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	===Joseph Smith had limited education===		===Joseph Smith had limited education===
	Joseph Smith was only 23 when he dictated the Book of Mormon, and had about 7 years of formal education, with almost all of that home-schooled.		Joseph Smith was only 23 years old when he dictated the Book of Mormon, and had about 7 years of formal education, with almost all of that home-schooled.

	===Joseph Smith was not a writer===		===Joseph Smith was not a writer===

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	Joseph Smith was only 23 when he dictated the Book of Mormon, and had about 7 years of formal education, with almost all of that home-schooled.		Joseph Smith was only 23 when he dictated the Book of Mormon, and had about 7 years of formal education, with almost all of that home-schooled.

	===~~Joesph~~ Smith was not a writer===		===Joseph Smith was not a writer===
	Joseph had never published book or story or anything that we know of.		Joseph had never published book or story or anything that we know of.

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	Could Joseph Smith have written the Book of Mormon? Let's look at how likely that was:		Could Joseph Smith have written the Book of Mormon? Let's look at how likely that was:

	===~~Joesph~~ Smith had limited education===		===Joseph Smith had limited education===
	Joseph Smith was ~~educated at home with maybe a year~~ of formal education.		Joseph Smith was only 23 when he dictated the Book of Mormon, and had about 7 years of formal education, with almost all of that home-schooled.

	===Joesph Smith was not a writer===		===Joesph Smith was not a writer===