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Mormonismo y declaraciones bíblicas de que ningún hombre ha visto a Dios

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Pregunta: ¿Cómo pudo José Smith haber visto a Dios si la Biblia dice que Dios no puede ser visto por los mortales?

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Numerous Biblical verses attest that God has been seen by select humans

Some Christians claim that the Bible teaches that God cannot be seen by mortals, and so claims by Joseph Smith and others to have seen God the Father or Jesus Christ must be false. However, numerous Biblical verses attest that God has been seen by select humans. John 1:18, which the critics use to argue otherwise, has been interpreted differently by early Christians to avoid the self-contradiction which the critics' reading creates for the Bible.

If God can say "I change not," (Malachi 3:6) and he has appeared to mortals in the past, as the Bible bears record, why would he change his tactics and refuse to appear to modern prophets?

The most commonly used Biblical citation invoked by the critics is probably John 1:18, which reads “No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.”

Early Christian author Irenaeus wrote in A.D. 180 that this scripture should be read “For "no man," he says, "hath seen God at any time," unless "the only-begotten Son of God, which is in the bosom of the Father, He hath declared [Him]."[1]

Interestingly, Joseph Smith's revision of the Bible agrees with Irenaeus' reading:

No man hath seen God at any time except he hath borne record of the Son . . .(italics represent changes in JST)

Irenaeus' "unless" (or Joseph's "except") makes all the difference. Irenaeus knew that righteous men had seen God in the past:

Furthermore, by adopting this approach, Irenaeus' interpretation of John 1:18 harmonized with the rest of the Bible and the qualifications which the Bible provides for those who may see God. The requirements are:

  1. Must be "of God" “Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.” (John 6:46.) Some critics will argue that only Jesus "is of God", but that position is unscriptural. Moses too was "of God"(Deuteronomy 33:1), as well as Samuel (1 Samuel 9:10), Shemaiah (1 Kings 12:22), and Elijah (1 Kings 17:24).
  2. Must have "peace and holiness" within you "Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which, no man shall see the Lord" (Hebrews 12:14.)
  3. Must be pure in heart "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God" (Matthew 5:8.)

As the numerous Biblical references demonstrate, the idea of seeing God is hardly foreign to Hebrew or early Christian thought. There are also non-scriptural examples: Philo the Jew taught that the name Israel was compounded of 3 words “ish” “rah” “El”, which means “man seeing God;” this view is also found in the apocryphal Prayer of Joseph. [2] And, an early Christian document called the Clementine Homilies portrays the apostle Peter as agreeing with Irenaeus' view:

For I maintain that the eyes of mortals cannot see the incorporeal form of the Father or Son, because it is illumined by exceeding great light. . . . For he who sees God cannot live. For the excess of light dissolves the flesh of him who sees; unless by the secret power of God the flesh be changed into the nature of light, so that it can see light.[3]

Joseph Smith revealed the same essential truth (D&C 67:11, D&C 84:22).

It is the critics' view of John 1:18 that is novel and at odds with the earliest Christian understanding of the scripture, not Joseph Smith's.


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Pregunta: ¿La Doctrina y Convenios Sección 84 dice que uno no puede ver a Dios sin tener el sacerdocio?

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Joseph Smith afirmó que vio a Dios en 1820 y también afirmó que recibió el sacerdocio en 1829 Sin embargo, en un texto que él produjo en 1832 (DC 84:21-22). Se dice que una persona no puede ver a Dios sin poseer el sacerdocio.

  • ¿Cambió José contradice a sí mismo?
  • ¿Cuenta esto como evidencia en contra de su vocación como un auténtico profeta de Dios?


Algunos han sección 84 de Doctrina y Convenios malinterpretado en un esfuerzo por destruir el testimonio de José Smith con respecto a la realidad de la Primera Visión. Su esfuerzo falla cuando el texto se ve en su contexto adecuado y luego se compara con otros escritos que han sido formuladas por el Profeta.


Este argumento se ve fatalmente viciada por una interpretación inadecuada de D & C 84:21-22 y también por no tener en cuenta los textos adicionales que fueron producidos por Joseph Smith.

Cuando D&C 84:19-22 se analiza en su contexto y luego una interpretación surge que no admite la propuesta por los críticos del Profeta. Las palabras leídas relevantes:

19 Y este sacerdocio mayor administra el evangelio y posee la llave de los misterios del reino, sí, la llave del conocimiento de Dios.
20 Así que, en sus ordenanzas se manifiesta el poder de la divinidad.
21 Y sin sus ordenanzas y la autoridad del sacerdocio, el poder de la divinidad no se manifiesta a los hombres en la carne;
22 porque sin esto, ningún hombre puede ver la faz de Dios, sí, el Padre, y vivir.

La palabra "esto" en el versículo 22 no se refiere al Sacerdocio de Melquisedec, sino más bien "el poder de la piedad". robinson1 Una de las ordenanzas del Sacerdocio de Melquisedec es el otorgamiento del don del Espíritu Santo por la imposición de las manos (verDC 49:14). El Señor le explicó en una revelación de 1831, "ningún hombre ha visto jamás a Dios en la carne, excepto vivificado por el Espíritu de Dios" (DC 67:11).

Un ejemplo de que esto ocurra se ve en la Perla de Gran Precio donde se registra que Moisés "Vi a Dios cara a cara, y habló con él, y la gloria de Dios estaba sobre Moisés, por lo que Moisés pudo soportar su presencia " (Moisés 1:2). Moisés confirmó que era porque estaba transfigurado por la gloria de Dios que él no murió cuando vio el rostro del Señor, mientras que en la mortalidad (véase Moisés 1:11). El Señor verificó a Moisés en otro texto que los mortales pecaminosos no pueden ver su rostro y vivir (ver JST Éxodo 33:20).

Esto nos lleva al caso de José Smith en 1820 En la cuenta antigua que se conoce de esta manifestación divina (escrito en 1832 - el mismo año en D. y C. 84). Profeta hizo nota del hecho de que cuando la experiencia comenzó una columna de fuego descansó sobre él y que estaba "lleno del Espíritu de Dios." Una vez que los cielos se abrieron el Salvador apareció y le dijo: "José, hijo mío, tus pecados te son perdonados." El Redentor empató estos elementos juntos en un Libro de Mormón pasaje donde Informó a una multitud de sus discípulos de que ciertas personas serían "visitaron con 'fuego' y con 'el Espíritu Santo, y recibirán 'remisión de sus pecados a (3 Nephi 12:2). Dado que la experiencia del Profeta siguió el mismo patrón, es razonable creer que esto es lo que le sucedió en la Arboleda Sagrada.

Hay dos piezas adicionales de evidencia que apuntan a la conclusión de que José Smith fue transfigurado durante el evento de la Primera Visión. En primer lugar, hay Orson Pratt 1840 relato del incidente en el que se relata que la columna de fuego o la luz "continuó descendiendo lentamente, hasta que se detuvo sobre la tierra, y [José Smith] fue envuelto en medio de ella. Cuando llegó el primero con él, se produce una sensación peculiar en toda su sistema. "[1] José se dio cuenta de que había algún tipo de cambio obrado en su cuerpo y que era de un carácter extraordinario, algo que al parecer no estaba acostumbrada. En segundo lugar, encontramos un paralelo entre lo que sucedió a Moisés después de su transfiguración y lo que pasó con el joven José después de su teofanía terminó. En Moisés capítulo 1 leemos:

9 Y la presencia de Dios se apartó de Moisés, de modo que su gloria ya no lo cubría; y Moisés quedó a solas; y al quedar a solas, cayó a tierra.
10 Y sucedió que por el espacio de muchas horas Moisés no pudo recobrar su fuerza natural según el hombre, y se dijo a sí mismo: Por esta causa, ahora sé que el hombre no es nada, cosa que yo nunca me había imaginado. (Moisés 1:9-10)

En tres de narraciones del Profeta de la historia de la Primera Visión él menciona que él también perdió su fuerza y cayó a la tierra.

1838 Texto principal y la Nota B
"Cuando volví en mí más me encontré acostado boca arriba mirando hacia el cielo, Cuando la luz se había ido no tenía fuerzas, pero pronto se recupere [ó] en cierto grado."
1843 David N. White Interview
"Cuando volví en mí, estaba en expansión en la espalda y fue algún tiempo antes mi fuerza regresó."
1844 Alexander Neibaur Diario
"Me esforcé por surgir, pero sentía incó [comúnmente] débil."

Notas

  1. Irenaeus, "Against Heresies," in Chapter 6 Ante-Nicene Fathers, edited by Philip Schaff (Christian Literature Publishing Co., 1886)1:427. ANF ToC off-site (Inglés) This volume
  2. Charles A. Gieschen, Angelomorphic Christology: Antecedents and Early Evidence (Leiden; New York; Köln: Brill, 1998), 139.
  3. Apostle Peter (attributed), "Clementine Homilies," in 17:16 Ante-Nicene Fathers, edited by Philip Schaff (Christian Literature Publishing Co., 1886)8:322–323. ANF ToC off-site (Inglés) This volume
  1. [back]  Stephen E. Robinson and H. Dean Garrett, A Commentary on the Doctrine and Covenants: Volume Three (Salt Lake City: Deseret Book, 2004), 32-33.
  2. [back]  Orson Pratt, An Interesting Account of Several Remarkable Visions (Edinburgh, Scotland: Ballantyne and Hughes, 1840), 5. off-site (Inglés) off-site (Inglés) Full title GL direct link

Pregunta: ¿Por qué Jesús dijo: "nunca me he mostrado al hombre a quien he creado" al Hermano de Jared, cuando Enoc y otros ya habían visto a Jehová cara a cara?

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We know that at least Adam and Enoch had already seen or walked with God or Jehovah by the time that He showed himself to the Brother of Jared

In Ether 3:15, the premortal Jesus Christ is speaking to the Brother of Jared:

15 And never have I showed myself unto man whom I have created, for never has man believed in me as thou hast. Seest thou that ye are created after mine own image? Yea, even all men were created in the beginning after mine own image.

However we know that at least Adam and Enoch had already seen or walked with God or Jehovah by this time. Adam’s experience is described in D&C 107:53-54

53 Three years previous to the death of Adam, he called Seth, Enos, Cainan, Mahalaleel, Jared, Enoch, and Methuselah, who were all high priests, with the residue of his posterity who were righteous, into the valley of Adam-ondi-Ahman, and there bestowed upon them his last blessing.

54 And the Lord appeared unto them, and they rose up and blessed Adam, and called him Michael, the prince, the archangel.

Enoch’s experience is described in Moses 7:4

4 And I saw the Lord; and he stood before my face, and he talked with me, even as a man talketh one with another, face to face; and he said unto me: Look, and I will show unto thee the world for the space of many generations.

The key words here that provide multiple interpretations are: “myself”, “showed” and “man”

So what was unique about the Brother of Jared’s experience which would explain the phrase “Never have I showed myself unto man whom I have created”. The key words here that provide multiple interpretations are: “myself”, “showed” and “man”.

Interpretation 1: “Myself” refers to the true identity of Jesus Christ

Kent P Jackson said:

The uniqueness of this situation lies in the fact that Jehovah appeared to Mahonri Moriancumer in his role as Jesus Christ--rather than as the Father. Never before, as far as we can tell from the scriptures, had Jesus Christ shown himself unto man. (And, interestingly, nowhere else in the scriptures do we have a clear example of Jehovah appearing as Jesus until his coming in the flesh.) As Moroni reported, "Having this perfect knowledge of God, he could not be kept from within the veil; therefore he saw Jesus" (Ether 3:20). To the brother of Jared, Christ revealed his complete nature: God who would become Man--Jehovah, the Father, who would become Jesus, the Son.

Perhaps the unprecedented nature of this appearance is a reason why the Lord commanded that the account not be made known in the world until after his mortal ministry (Ether 3:21). [1]

This is supported by verse 14 in Ether 3:

Behold, I am Jesus Christ. I am the Father and the Son. In me shall all mankind have life, and that eternally, even they who shall believe on my name; and they shall become my sons and my daughters.

Interpretation 2: “Showed” means fully showing his spirit body

President Joseph Fielding Smith said:

I have always considered Ether 3:15 to mean that the Savior stood before the Brother of Jared plainly, distinctly, and showed him his whole body and explained to him that he was a spirit. In his appearance to Adam and Enoch, he had not made himself manifest in such a familiar way. His appearances to earlier prophets had not been with that same fulness.

The scriptural accounts of talking face to face and of walking with God should not be interpreted in the sense that the Savior stood before those prophets and revealed his whole person. That he may have done so at later periods in the cases of Abraham and Moses is possible, but he had not done so in that fulness in the antediluvian days. For the Brother of Jared he removed the veil completely. He had never showed himself to man before in the manner and way he did to that prophet. [2]

Interpretation 3: “Man” refers to the unbelieving man

Jeffrey R. Holland said:

"One possibility is...that the reference to 'man' is the key to this passage, suggesting that the Lord had never revealed himself to the unsanctified, to the nonbeliever, to temporal, earthy, natural man. The implication is that only those who have put off the natural man, only those who are untainted by the world-in short, the sanctified (such as Adam, Enoch, and now the brother of Jared)-are entitled to this privilege. "Some believe that the Lord meant he had never before revealed himself to man in that degree or to that extent. This theory suggests that divine appearances to earlier prophets had not been with the same 'fulness,' that never before had the veil been lifted to give such a complete revelation of Christ's nature and being…

"A final explanation-and in terms of the brother of Jared's faith the most persuasive one-is that Christ was saying to the brother of Jared, 'Never have I showed myself unto man in this manner, without my volition, driven solely by the faith of the beholder.' As a rule, prophets are invited into the presence of the Lord, are bidden to enter his presence by him and only with his sanction. The brother of Jared, on the other hand, seems to have thrust himself through the veil, not as an unwelcome guest but perhaps technically as an uninvited one. Said Jehovah, 'Never has man come before me with such exceeding faith as thou hast; for were it not so ye could not have seen my finger. . . . Never has man believed in me as thou hast.' (v. 9,15) Obviously the Lord himself was linking unprecedented faith with this unprecedented vision. If the vision itself was not unique, then it had to be the faith and how the vision was obtained that was so unparalleled. The only way that faith could be so remarkable was its ability to take the prophet, uninvited, where others had been able to go only with God's bidding.

"That appears to be Moroni's understanding of the circumstance when he later wrote, 'Because of the knowledge [which came as a result of faith] of this man he could not be kept from beholding within the veil. . . . Wherefore, having this perfect knowledge of God, he could not be kept from within the veil; therefore he saw Jesus.' (v. 19)" [3]


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Notas

  1. Kent P. Jackson. 1990. "Never Have I Showed Myself unto Man": A Suggestion for Understanding Ether 3:15a. [ONLINE] Available at: http://www.mormonismi.net/kirjoitukset/byu_jumala.shtml. [Accessed 6 December 2016].
  2. Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, comp. Bruce R. McConkie, 3 vols. (Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1954-56), 1:37
  3. Christ And The New Covenant, p. 21-23