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| − | *Did Joseph Smith join the Methodist, Presbyterian, or Baptist churches between 1820 and 1830—despite the claim made in his 1838 history that he was forbidden by Deity (during the 1820 First Vision experience) from joining any denomination?{{ref|fn1}}
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| − | *Do Joseph's alleged actions argue strongly against the reality of any encounter he might have had with God in the Sacred Grove?
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| − | <!--*It is claimed that "at some point between 1821 and 1829," after the First Vision, that Joseph served as “a very passable exhorter” ''at Methodist camp meetings'' being held “away down in the woods, on the Vienna Road.” Since one could not be a licensed "exhorter" at such meetings unless one were a member of the Methodist church, critics therefore claim that this indicates that Joseph became a church member.--> | |
| − | *Did Joseph became a member of Emma Hale Smith's Methodist congregation in 1828?
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| + | [[es:La Primera Visión de José Smith/Unirse a otras iglesias]] |
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| − | Nobody who has charged Joseph Smith with joining a church between 1820 and 1830 has ever produced any authentic denominational membership record that would substantiate such a claim. Eyewitness reminiscences and contemporary records provide strong evidence that this claim is not valid and, therefore, does not reflect historical reality.
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| − | {{SeeAlso|First Vision/Methodist camp meetings|l1=Joseph Smith and Methodist camp meetings}}
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| − | ===The critics' sources===
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| − | Three of the primary sources that charge Joseph Smith with joining sectarian churches between 1820 and 1830 were produced in the latter part of the nineteenth century. None of the three are contemporary records; the earliest one was written 50 years after the First Vision took place:
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| − | ====Lapham: 1870, second-hand====
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| − | Fayette Lapham claimed to have interviewed Joseph Smith Sr. in 1829-30, and published a report forty years later. In it, he reported:
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| − | : About this time [1822, perhaps as late as 1824] he [Joseph, Jr.] became concerned as to his future state of existence, and was baptized, becoming thus a member of the Baptist Church.{{ref|lapham.1}}
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| − | ====Joseph and Hiel Lewis, ''Amboy Journal'' 1879====
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| − | Joseph and Hiel Lewis were cousins of Emma Hale Smith; they would have been aged 21 and 11 respectively in 1828:
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| − | :...while he, Smith, was in Harmony, Pa., translating his book....that he joined the M[ethodist] [Episocpal] church. He presented himself in a very serious and humble manner, and the minister, not suspecting evil, put his name on the class book, the absence of some of the official members, among whom was the undersigned, Joseph Lewis, who, when he learned what was done, took with him Joshua McKune, and had a talk with Smith. They told him plainly that such a character as he was a disgrace to the church, that he could not be a member of the church unless he broke off his sins by repentance, made public confession, renounced his fraudulent and hypocritical practices, and gave some evidence that he intended to reform and conduct himself somewhat nearer like a christian than he had done. They gave him his choice, to go before the class, and publicly ask to have his name stricken from the class book, or stand a disciplinary investigation. He chose the former, and immediately withdrew his name. So his name as a member of the class was on the book only three days.--It was the general opinion that his only object in joining the church was to bolster up his reputation and gain the sympathy and help of christians; that is, putting on the cloak of religion to serve the devil in.{{ref|lewis.1}}
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| − | Note that ''Joseph'' did not inscribe himself, but the Methodist ''minister'' added Joseph's name to the class book. It is not surprising that Joseph might have attended Methodist services: Emma's family was involved in Methodism, she was related to Methodist ministers, and Joseph at this period was living on the Hale family's farm. The Hales had serious reservations about their new son-in-law, who claimed by this point to have the Book of Mormon plates in his possession. It would be natural for him to attend worship services with them if only to reassure them that he was not hostile to religion.
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| − | It is telling, though, that as soon as Joseph Lewis learned that Joseph had attended, he quickly took steps to disassociate the church from a person he saw as an imposter: note too that Lewis describes himself (rather than Joseph) as one "of the official members." A study of Methodist procedure makes it extremely unlikely that Joseph could have been a member of the Church, especially for only three days.
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| − | {{Main|Joseph Smith's First Vision/Joseph Smith joined other churches/Methodist membership procedures and Joseph Smith|l1=Methodist membership procedures and Joseph Smith}}
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| − | {{SeeAlso|Joseph Smith's First Vision/Joseph became "partial to the Methodist sect" in 1820|l1=Joseph became "partial to the Methodist sect" in 1820}}
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| − | ====Anderick - 1887====
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| − | : When Jo[seph Smith] joined the Presbyterian Church, in Palmyra village, it caused much talk and surprise, as he claimed to receive revelations from the Lord.{{ref|anderick.1}}
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| − | As Dan Vogel notes, "Because Lucy Smith and three of her older children joined the Presbyterian Church, together with the possibility that Joseph Jr. may have attended some meetings with other family members, some observers may have assumed Joseph Jr. was also a member."{{ref|vogel.210n9}} (Vogel notes that Lorenzo Saunders claimed in 1884 that he attended Sunday School with Joseph at the Presbyterian Church, and so that attendance (without formal membership) may be the source for this reminiscence.{{ref|saunders.1}})
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| − | ====Summary re: critics' sources====
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| − | #The Lapham source is secondhand at best—putting forward information that reportedly came from the Prophet's father.
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| − | #The Lewis source presents a scenario that was directly contradicted in print by an adult eyewitness who was a Methodist church officer. It is certainly possible that Joseph attended a Methodist meeting with his wife and in-laws: even in the Lewis' telling, however, he was quickly made to understand that he was not wanted, and he persisted in his own beliefs rather than continue with them.
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| − | #The Anderick source may simply be recalling an occasion when the young Prophet attended a church service with his Presbyterian mother and siblings.
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| − | The three sources are all late, and all from hostile voices.
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| − | We must note too that none of these sources confirms the others—they all discuss different denominations and different time frames. Thus, the stories are not mutually reinforcing.
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| − | We turn now to the many sources (both friendly and hostile) that claim that Joseph had no formal affiliation with any religious denomination during this period. Critics typically leave these sources safely unmentioned.
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| − | ==Sources which contradict the critics==
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| − | The eyewitness sources that follow below indicate that up until the time that Joseph Smith announced the existence of the golden plates of the Book of Mormon to his family (23 September 1823) he was not formally attached to any church, but had instead publicly rejected all of them and manifested his desire NOT to join their ranks. Some are contemporaneous, others are later remembrances, but the hostile and friendly voices are clear that he had no denominational affiliation.
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| − | ===Reminiscence Around 1820===
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| − | :Pomeroy Tucker (a non-Mormon critic who knew Joseph Smith in Palmyra, New York) said that Joseph joined the Methodist probationary class in Palmyra but soon "withdrew from the class" '''without being converted'''; announcing that "all the churches [were] on a false foundation."{{ref|fn2}} This information corresponds with historical details dated by Joseph Smith at around 1820.
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| − | ===Reminiscence of Fall 1823===
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| − | :Joseph Smith's mother recalled in her autobiography that shortly after her son Alvin died on 19 November 1823 Joseph "utterly refused" to attend church services with the intent to convert, and he made the specific request: "'''do not ask me to join them'''. I can take my Bible, and go into the woods, and learn more in two hours, than you can learn at meeting in two years, if you should go all the time."{{ref|fn3}}
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| − | As can be seen by the continuing chronological sources which follow, Joseph Smith and his associates were teaching from 1825 to 1832 that the Prophet did not belong to any church between the years 1825 and 1827.
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| − | ===Reminiscence Concerning 1825===
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| − | :Josiah Stowell, Jr. (a non-Mormon): “I will give you a short history of what I know about Joseph Smith, Jr. I have been intimately acquainted with him about 2 years. He then was about 20 years old or thereabout. I also went to school with him one winter. He was a fine, likely young man and at that time '''did not profess religion'''.”{{ref|fn4}}
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| − | ===Reminiscence Concerning 1827===
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| − | :In 1827 David Marks (a non-Mormon minister) went to Palmyra and Manchester, New York where he “made considerable inquiry respecting . . . [Joseph] Smith” and learned from “several persons in different places” that Joseph was “about 21 years [old]; that previous to his declaration of having found the plates '''he made no pretensions to religion'''.”{{ref|fn5}}
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| − | ===Reminiscence Concerning 1830===
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| − | :In October 1830 Peter Bauder (a non-Mormon minister) spoke directly to the Prophet. Bauder commented: “'''he could give me no Christian experience''',” meaning that he did not belong to any church before his experience with the angel and plates in September 1823.{{ref|fn6}} | |
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| − | ===Contemporary Document - 1830===
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| − | :Four LDS men from New York state taught that at the time the angel appeared to Joseph Smith (22 September 1823) he “'''made no pretensions to religion of any kind'''.”{{ref|fn7}}
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| − | ===Contemporary Document - 1831===
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| − | :The editor of a Palmyra, New York newspaper claimed that he has been “credibly informed,” and was “quite certain,” that “the prophet . . . '''never made any serious pretensions to religion''' until his late pretended revelation” -- meaning the Book of Mormon, which was made known among Palmyra's residents in the Fall of 1827.{{ref|fn8}}
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| − | ===Contemporary Document - 1832===
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| − | :Orson Pratt and Lyman Johnson taught on 8 April 1832 that “in 1827 a young man called Joseph Smith of the state of New York, '''of no denomination''' [i.e., not belonging to a church], but under conviction, inquired of the Lord . . . [and] an angel [appeared to him] . . . who gave information where the plates were deposited.”{{ref|fn9}} Pratt clarified in a much later statement that between 1820 and 1823 Joseph Smith "'''was not a member of any church'''."{{ref|fn10}}
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| − | #{{note|fn1}} {{TS1|vol=3|num=9|date=1 March 1842|start=707}}
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| − | #{{note|lapham.1}} {{CitationSource:BoM Witnesses:Other:Fayette Lapham:1870}}
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| − | #{{note|lewis.1}} {{CitationSource:Joseph and Hiel Lewis:1879}}
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| − | #{{note|anderick.1}} {{CitationSource:S.F. Anderick:1887}}
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| − | #{{note|vogel.210n9}} {{Book:Vogel:EMD:Short|vol=1|pages=210n9}}
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| − | #{{note|saunders.1}} {{CitationSource:Lorenzo Saunders:1884}}
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| − | <!--Against critics-->
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| − | #{{note|fn2}}{{TuckerOrigin|start=17|end=18}}
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| − | #{{note|fn3}} {{LucyMackSmith-Stevens1| start=90}}
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| − | #{{note|fn4}}Letter, Josiah Stowell Jr. to John S. Fullmer, 17 February 1843.
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| − | #{{note|fn5}}''Morning Star'', 7 March 1833 [Limerick, Maine].
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| − | #{{note|fn6}}Peter Bauder, ''The Kingdom and Gospel of Jesus Christ'' (Canajoharie, New York: A. H. Calhoun, 1834), 36.
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| − | #{{note|fn7}}''Observer and Telegraph'', 18 November 1830 [Hudson, Ohio].
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| − | #{{note|fn8}}''The Reflector'', 1 February 1831 [Palmyra, New York].
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| − | #{{note|fn9}}''The Catholic Telegraph'', 14 April 1832 [Cincinnati, Ohio].
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| − | #{{note|fn10}}{{JDfairwiki|vol=14|disc=20|start=140|end=141|author=Orson Pratt}}
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