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Approximately eight or nine months after we produced our original response to the ''Letter to a CES Director'', the author produced an apologetic called ''Debunking FAIR's Debunking'', later changed to ''Debunking FairMormon''. Much of the material is simply an incorporation of our original summary responses to the individual issues, and the author's reassertion of his original claims. Our original summary responses to most of these issues have now been incorporated into the text of the full wiki articles that are now transcluded into the CES Letter response. There are, however, some new claims that originated in direct response to FairMormon. In this page we will highlight only new individual items which were not covered in the original CES Letter response. For convenience, these responses to ''Debunking FairMormon'' are also included in the list of responses to the original, and various updates, of the CES Letter.
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Approximately eight or nine months after we produced our original response to the ''Letter to a CES Director'', the author produced an apologetic called ''Debunking FAIR's Debunking'', later changed to ''Debunking FairMormon''. Much of the material is simply an incorporation of our original summary responses to the individual issues, and the author's reassertion of his original claims. We have updated the original article responses to incorporate new evidence that the author of the CES Letter marshaled to attempt to bolster his original claims. Additionally, we have responded to new claims that appeared from the author that were not included in neither the original CES Letter, our response to it, nor the subsequent editions of the CES Letter. In this page we will highlight only new individual items which were not covered in the original CES Letter response (but as stated before, we have updated other articles to respond to other evidence covering the same claims). For convenience, these responses to ''Debunking FairMormon'' are also included in the list of responses to the original, and various updates, of the CES Letter.
  
 
==Detailed responses to {{DebunkingFM}} by section are found in linked subarticles below==
 
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|L5=Response to claim: "FairMormon’s strawman that these towns/cities were discovered only through maps may not be...how Holley found some of the towns"
 
|L5=Response to claim: "FairMormon’s strawman that these towns/cities were discovered only through maps may not be...how Holley found some of the towns"
 
|L6=Response to claim: "The overwhelming consensus from these unbiased experts in pre-Columbian America archaeology/anthropology and Egyptology is that neither the Book of Mormon nor the Book of Abraham is historical, factual, or congruent to the current and existing data and evidence."
 
|L6=Response to claim: "The overwhelming consensus from these unbiased experts in pre-Columbian America archaeology/anthropology and Egyptology is that neither the Book of Mormon nor the Book of Abraham is historical, factual, or congruent to the current and existing data and evidence."
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lL7=Response to claim:"In addition to the statements made by those professors, here are some more statements made by both LDS and non-LDS archaeologist and anthropologist individuals and organizations...'The first myth we need to eliminate is that Book of Mormon archaeology exists…."
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|L7=Response to claim: "In addition to the statements made by those professors, here are some more statements made by both LDS and non-LDS archaeologist and anthropologist individuals and organizations...'While some people chose to make claims for the Book of Mormon through archaeological evidences, to me they are made prematurely, and without sufficient knowledge.'"
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|L8=Response to claim: "In addition to the statements made by those professors, here are some more statements made by both LDS and non-LDS archaeologist and anthropologist individuals and organizations...'While some people chose to make claims for the Book of Mormon through archaeological evidences, to me they are made prematurely, and without sufficient knowledge.'"
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|L8=Response to claim:"In addition to the statements made by those professors, here are some more statements made by both LDS and non-LDS archaeologist and anthropologist individuals and organizations...'The first myth we need to eliminate is that Book of Mormon archaeology exists…."
 
|L9=Response to claim: "There was a book published in 1791 by John Walker entitled, A Key to the Classical Pronunciation of Greek, Latin, and Scripture Proper Names"
 
|L9=Response to claim: "There was a book published in 1791 by John Walker entitled, A Key to the Classical Pronunciation of Greek, Latin, and Scripture Proper Names"
 
|L10=Response to claim: "'They borrowed from early 19th century Methodist evangelical camp meetings and the Second Great Awakening in Joseph's 'burnt over district' backyard"
 
|L10=Response to claim: "'They borrowed from early 19th century Methodist evangelical camp meetings and the Second Great Awakening in Joseph's 'burnt over district' backyard"
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|L7=Response to claim: "Joseph Fielding Smith, upon discovering the 1832 account, ripped out the pages out of the letter book"
 
|L7=Response to claim: "Joseph Fielding Smith, upon discovering the 1832 account, ripped out the pages out of the letter book"
 
|L8=Response to claim: "Why doesn't FairMormon also include the following accounts in their list showing just how “consistent” all of the First Vision accounts are?"
 
|L8=Response to claim: "Why doesn't FairMormon also include the following accounts in their list showing just how “consistent” all of the First Vision accounts are?"
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|L8=Response to claim: "For something that excited the “public mind against me”… where are the records?"
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|L9=Response to claim: "For something that excited the “public mind against me”… where are the records?"
 
|L10=Response to claim: "Joseph Smith's theophany, or First Vision account, was not unprecedented or unique."
 
|L10=Response to claim: "Joseph Smith's theophany, or First Vision account, was not unprecedented or unique."
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|L11=Response to claim: "...the following is what LDS historian and member of the Joseph Smith Papers project, Ronald O. Barney, has to say about Fawn Brodie and her book, No Man Knows My History...Richard Bushman extensively used No Man Knows My History as a source in his Rough Stone Rolling biography of Joseph Smith."
 
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Latest revision as of 14:19, 13 April 2024

Contents


A FairMormon Analysis of "Debunking FAIR’s Debunking" (also known as "Debunking FairMormon" - from the author of the Letter to a CES Director)



A FAIR Analysis of: Letter to a CES Director, a work by author: Jeremy Runnells
Does FairMormon agree with a large percentage of the claims made in the Letter to the CES Director?
Jeremy Runnells has claimed that FairMormon has agreed with him on a large percentage of various claims he has made, even going so far as to claim agreement on items that FairMormon did not respond to. With regard to historical facts, Mr. Runnells's citations are sometimes incorrect and his interpretations, even of correctly cited historical facts, are unwarranted. In short, FairMormon disagrees entirely with the conclusions reached by Jeremy Runnells.
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Overview

Approximately eight or nine months after we produced our original response to the Letter to a CES Director, the author produced an apologetic called Debunking FAIR's Debunking, later changed to Debunking FairMormon. Much of the material is simply an incorporation of our original summary responses to the individual issues, and the author's reassertion of his original claims. We have updated the original article responses to incorporate new evidence that the author of the CES Letter marshaled to attempt to bolster his original claims. Additionally, we have responded to new claims that appeared from the author that were not included in neither the original CES Letter, our response to it, nor the subsequent editions of the CES Letter. In this page we will highlight only new individual items which were not covered in the original CES Letter response (but as stated before, we have updated other articles to respond to other evidence covering the same claims). For convenience, these responses to Debunking FairMormon are also included in the list of responses to the original, and various updates, of the CES Letter.

Detailed responses to "Debunking FAIR’s Debunking" (also known as "Debunking FairMormon" - from the author of the Letter to a CES Director) by section are found in linked subarticles below

Response to section "Book of Mormon Concerns & Questions"

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Response to section "Book of Mormon Translation Concerns & Questions"

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Response to section "First Vision Concerns & Questions"

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Response to section "Polygamy/Polyandry Concerns & Questions"

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Response to section "Prophets Concerns & Questions"

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Response to section "Kinderhook Plates and Translator/Seer Claims Concerns & Questions"

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Response to section "Testimony/Spiritual Witness Concerns & Questions"

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Response to section "Priesthood Restoration Concerns & Questions"

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Response to section "Witnesses Concerns & Questions"

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Response to section "Temples & Freemasonry Concerns & Questions"

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Response to section "Science Concerns & Questions"

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Response to section "Other Concerns & Questions"

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Response to section "Conclusion"

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Notes

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