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Faith Crisis

Shaken Faith Syndrome: Why Some Lose Faith in the LDS Church

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Question
Why do some people lose faith after reading anti-Mormon material?

Short Answer
Some people lose faith because challenging information creates cognitive dissonance, especially when their beliefs are built on rigid assumptions or incomplete understanding. While some criticisms raise real questions, they are often presented without context, and faith can be strengthened by adding reliable information, understanding nuance, and seeking both spiritual and intellectual answers.
Key Takeaways
  • Faith crises often come from conflicting information, not just facts alone
  • Rigid or “all-or-nothing” beliefs make people more vulnerable to doubt
  • Cognitive dissonance pushes people to resolve tension in different ways
  • Adding context and scholarship can strengthen rather than weaken faith
  • Mature faith includes nuance, cultural context, and personal revelation
  • Many criticisms lose force when doctrine is separated from tradition
Question
If prophets make mistakes, does that mean the Church isn’t true?

Short Answer
Not necessarily. Latter-day Saint doctrine has never taught that prophets are infallible—only that they are called by God to guide His Church. While prophets can have personal opinions, cultural assumptions, or incomplete understanding, their role is to lead people to Christ, and truth is confirmed through both revelation and ongoing learning.
Key Takeaways
  • Prophets are inspired leaders, not perfect or error-free individuals
  • Some criticisms come from unrealistic expectations of infallibility
  • Doctrine develops over time through continuing revelation
  • Confusing tradition or opinion with doctrine creates false problems
  • Historical issues often become clearer with added context and scholarship
  • Faith is strengthened by combining spiritual witness with informed understanding

Summary

Summary

Mike Ash explains that many faith crises are not caused solely by difficult historical or doctrinal questions, but by underlying assumptions—especially rigid or “fundamentalist” expectations about prophets, scripture, and truth. When these assumptions are challenged, individuals experience cognitive dissonance and must resolve the tension by rejecting information, changing beliefs, or adding new understanding.

The talk emphasizes that mature faith requires nuance, context, and informed engagement with both criticism and scholarship. By distinguishing doctrine from tradition, understanding cultural context, and embracing both spiritual and intellectual inquiry, members can develop resilient testimonies that withstand challenging questions.

TL;DR

TL;DR (Too Long; Didn’t Read)

Faith crises often happen not just because of difficult information, but because of how we understand prophets, scripture, and truth.

Latter-day Saint doctrine does not require prophets to be perfect, and many criticisms—like those found in the CES Letter or claims about the Book of Abraham or Book of Mormon—often rely on missing context, rigid assumptions, or incomplete information.

A stronger, more resilient faith comes from combining spiritual experiences with informed understanding, recognizing the difference between doctrine and tradition, and being willing to engage both faithful scholarship and difficult questions.

The Internet and Anti-Mormon Material

Prior to the Internet, how many members owned or read anti-Mormon books or literature? Comparatively, how many members have encountered anti-Mormon literature on the web?

Nowadays, some members stumble across anti material on the web while doing research for a lesson or talk. Sometimes they are drawn in by curiosity.

It reminds me of the story of the man who was walking down the sidewalk when he came past an insane asylum. The courtyard of the asylum was fenced off by a tall wooden fence so no one could see in or out.

As the man walked along the fence he could hear voices on the other side chanting: “13, 13, 13, 13.”

“What in the world was going on,” the man wondered. Spotting a knot hole in one of the boards of the fence he leaned closer to see what was happening in the courtyard.

As his eye approached the hole, however, a finger suddenly shot out and poked him in the eye. The man recoiled in pain and shock.

Suddenly the voices chanted, “14, 14, 14, 14.”

I think that’s sometimes how it happens with some of the anti-Mormon literature. You wonder, “what is all this about?” And you get kind of drawn into it.

Shaken Faith Syndrome

The title of the book that I’ve written of course, is Shaken Faith Syndrome. I culled the information for this book for many years from so many of you, from the things you’ve presented, and even unknowing comments that you’ve made. It’s kind of a FAIR production, I guess you could say.

While there are many reasons that people leave the Church, a shaken faith typically arises from two scenarios:

  1. Someone loses their faith because of a disaster in their life (such as a death, divorce, or other tragedy.)
  2. Someone’s faith is shaken because they are exposed to information that seems to question the truth claims of the Church.

This second category is the one I address in my book.

The Real Definition of “Syndrome”

Let’s briefly talk about the title of my book: Shaken Faith Syndrome. Some critics have taken exception to my use of “syndrome.” They claim that most English speaking Americans would understand the word to mean an illness or disease.

Therefore (they suggest) I must believe that critics are mentally ill, or that they have something wrong with them for not accepting the restored gospel.

In medicine, “syndrome” typically refers to a disease or illness—such as Auto Immune Deficiency Syndrome (AIDS) or Downs Syndrome.

In psychology and modern vernacular the term can refer to a response to extenuating circumstances such as the Stockholm Syndrome. (Captives in hostage situations show signs of loyalty to their captor. Elizabeth Smart may have been a victim of Stockholm Syndrome.) Alternatively, to a series of related events, such as the China Syndrome. (“the title of a 1979 movie which refers to the concept, mentioned only jokingly in the film, that if an American nuclear plant melts down, it will melt through the Earth until it reaches China”.)

From Dictionary.com we find the following definition of “syndrome”:

Pathology, Psychiatry:

  • A group of symptoms that together are characteristic of a specific disorder, disease, or the like.
  • A group of related or coincident things, events, actions, etc.
  • The pattern of symptoms that characterize or indicate a particular social condition.
  • A predictable, characteristic pattern of behavior, action, etc., that tends to occur under certain circumstances: the retirement syndrome of endless golf and bridge games; the feast-or-famine syndrome of big business.

While the first definition certainly refers to a disorder or illness, the three remaining definitions all could apply to my usage of the term and are obviously used in common English vernacular. (As indicated in the examples given in #4.)

Shaken Baby Syndrome

The title, “Shaken Faith Syndrome,” is clearly a play on the problem of “Shaken Baby Syndrome” (which seems obvious).

Shaken Baby Syndrome is neither a disease or illness but is a problem caused by shaking an infant. The resulting damage can be death as well as mental or physical disorders caused by damage to the brain.

The damage is caused by someone else—someone that either intentionally or unintentionally hurts or kills the child.

So likewise, LDS critical material can (and has) shaken the faith of active Latter-day Saints. It has killed testimonies or has damaged testimonies to the point of near death.

So I hope you can see why I think the term is an appropriate description of actual events or issues that contribute to deconversion. (Plus, I think the title is catchy).

What About Doubt?

Having doubt isn’t a sin and it isn’t abnormal. About 95% of Americans believe in God but nearly half— including those who consider themselves to be religiously devout—seriously question their faith from time to time.

The Church umbrella, thankfully, is large enough to include those who struggle with sporadic or chronic doubt.

“To some,” revealed the Lord, “it is given to know that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. To others it is given to believe on their words, that they also might have eternal life if they continue faithful” (D&C 46:13-14).

Joseph F. Smith once said that Latter-day Saints,

“…are given the largest possible latitude for their convictions, and if a man rejects a message that I may give to him but is still moral and believes in the main principles of the gospel and desires to continue in his membership in the Church, he is permitted to remain.

“…so long as a man believes in God and has a little faith in the Church organization, we nurture and aid that person to continue faithfully as a member of the Church though he may not believe all that is revealed.” 1

Why Does Doubt Lead Some to Abandon Faith?

Why does doubt cause some to abandon their convictions?

It seems that those who are prone to fundamentalist, dogmatic, or closed-minded perspectives about the gospel or early LDS historical events, are more likely to apostatize when they encounter challenging issues.

I use the term “fundamentalist” in a way that may differ from other usages of the term. I’m not referring to Islamic terrorists, and I’m not referring to modern-day polygamists.

In Christianity, the term often refers to conservative evangelicals who actively affirm what they see as fundamental Christian beliefs. An example is an inerrant Bible: a Bible that is literally interpreted and historically accurate despite any conflicting claims from science and modern scholarship.

By association, the term fundamentalist is also used to describe all those (of various religious beliefs) who take a very rigid, uncompromising, and unchanging approach to their ideologies (or belief systems). This definition more accurately depicts the way the term is used within this book.

Everyone, however—not just “fundamentalists”—have at least some rigid beliefs hidden in the background of their ideological stage.

This can present a problem when our unexamined assumptions are based on sandy foundations rather than on reality.

Conflicting Information and Uneasy Feelings

What happens when we encounter information that conflicts with existing thoughts or actions? You get an uneasy feeling.

Ever had Buyer’s remorse? Do you continue to live with buyer’s remorse? Typically you either return the product or make yourself feel good about your purchase.

Cognitive Dissonance

In psychology there is a phenomenon referred to as cognitive dissonance. Cognitions are “thoughts” and “dissonance” means disharmony.

When thoughts conflict, they are out of harmony. Sometimes we can have conflicting thoughts and not realize it, or we may realize it but we are not troubled by it.

When we recognize that we have competing cognitions and when we are troubled by the conflict, we enter a state of cognitive dissonance.

Cognitive dissonance creates a degree of intellectual, emotional, and even physical discomfort. We naturally take steps to alleviate the discomfort. This typically comes from talking ourselves out of the uneasiness.

For example, most of us have been guilty at some point of speeding. If we are aware that we’re speeding it can create cognitive dissonance.

How do we reduce the uneasiness? We make up excuses.

  • “I’m short on time” and
  • “this appointment is more important than the minor law I’m breaking.”
  • “The chances of being caught out are minimal;”
  • “the road is very quiet;”
  • “I am a very experienced driver;”
  • etc.

How about if you’re on a diet but your boss springs for pizza—and you love pizza.

You might say to yourself:

  • “Veggies are good;”
  • “I work out 3 times a week;”
  • “I already blew my diet earlier;”
  • “I’ll restart my diet on Monday.”

The level of discomfort we feel is directly related to how important we perceive the issue to be.

In the pizza example, we may not feel much uneasiness at all and we may quickly resolve the cognitive dissonance. Let’s suppose, however, that you’re addicted to alcohol, drugs, cigarettes, or pornography.

You know it’s wrong and you may face more serious heartburn when you engage in the addictive activity.

Weight of Beliefs and Experiences

What if you discovered that your assumptions about Joseph Smith’s clothing styles, hair color, or pitch of voice, were incorrect?

These aren’t important issues—they don’t carry a lot of weight. It’s doubtful that discovering competing cognitions on these issues would create emotional turmoil.

It would likely matter, however, if we discovered information implying that Joseph was a fraud or delusional or that the Book of Mormon was merely fiction.

Each person assigns different levels of importance (or “weight”) to their various beliefs (or “cognitions”) and the weight is typically influenced by a variety of factors.

What we personally experience generally carries a lot of weight with our beliefs.

If, for example, you had a stomach ache after every time you drank milk, your belief that milk wasn’t good for you would carry a lot of weight.

Likewise, if you’ve noticed blessings when paying your tithing your belief in the correct principle of tithing would carry a lot of weight.

The Role of Trusted Sources

The source of a competing cognition also carries a lot of weight.

If your doctor, for instance, told you to eat more popcorn for your digestive tract, you would more likely believe her than if the same advice came from the snack vendor at the movie theater.

Likewise, active members of the Church would be more likely to give credence to the counsel of Church leaders on spiritual issues than they might give to pop-psychologists or TV talk show hosts.

Responses to Religious Cognitive Dissonance

When we encounter cognitive dissonance with weighty issues—such as religious beliefs—we can experience a very uncomfortable and emotional state of mind.

This discomfort has been called a “negative drive state” because it causes psychological tension almost like hunger or thirst and requires immediate attention and resolution.

Reducing this distress may require a change in belief or behavior.

There are at least four ways in which this is generally accomplished, and we are not often consciously aware of doing so.

We will either:

  1. reject the new information—the competing cognition—as false;
  2. reject the new information as unimportant;
  3. reject old beliefs in favor of the new information; or
  4. add information (additional cognitions) to validate the original belief.

Illustration: The Red Ball Example

Ben McGuire offers the following example (and I use this example in my book):

Suppose you are playing with a red ball. The fact that you know the ball is red is a cognition.

Then, I come along and comment on how nice your green ball looks. You now have a second cognition—that I believe that the ball is green.

These two cognitions stem from contradictory states—that is, the ball is not both green and red.

If the two cognitions are weighted equally, this might create cognitive dissonance.

Which is to say, that if you valued my opinion as much as your own on determining the way you view reality, you would experience cognitive dissonance.

Assuming that we perceive this issue as important, let’s look at how we might relieve the discomfort of cognitive dissonance, and let’s compare this to a similar scenario wherein we might encounter LDS-critical information.

Four Common Responses

Option 1: Reject New Information as False

Reject the New Information as “False” (decide that I am wrong when I claim that the red ball is actually green—I’m either lying or colorblind).

We may reject the anti-LDS information as false—believing instead that critics invented the claim or pulled the information out of context.

By brushing aside the offending information as anti-Mormon propaganda, we could resolve any emotional discomfort or ward off future psychological vexation.

This approach is generally effective because, in reality, many anti-Mormon claims are complete fabrications or are taken out of context.

Option 2: New Information is Unimportant

Reject the New Information as “Unimportant” (decide that the color of the ball is unimportant compared to the enjoyment you get by playing with it).

We may decide that the faith-shaking discovery is unimportant or irrelevant to more important religious beliefs.

We may rightly feel that our acceptance of the gospel is based on a spiritual testimony—which carries more weight with our spiritual convictions than sources we don’t fully trust.

Most of us don’t have the time, energy, or resources to search out answers to every accusation, and so it often seems natural to set aside conflicting information as unimportant when we already have a conviction that the Church is true.

Options 1 & 2 are often coupled with avoidance of LDS-critical literature.

Both options are also typically compelled by emotion—possibly fueled by spiritual evidence— rather than a serious examination of the issues.

While our conclusions may be correct (in this case, that the Church is true despite anti-Mormon claims), the first two options usually reinforce the original belief without a rigorous and open-minded investigation of competing cognitions.

Cognitive Dissonance Beyond Religion

Latter-day Saints aren’t the only ones that resolve issues in this matter. And such an option for resolving cognitive dissonances isn’t limited to religious issues.

According to a recent study at Emory University, for instance, committed Democrats and Republicans both generally rely on emotion rather than reason when evaluating information that challenges their political views.

When brain activity was measured from test-subjects who were asked to evaluate negative information, the circuits involved in reasoning were not particularly engaged.

Instead, the researchers recorded brain activity in the emotional centers of the brain—especially those areas known to be involved in resolving conflicts.

Once the test subjects “had come to conclusions that fit their underlying beliefs—essentially finding ways to ignore information that could not be rationally discounted—the brain circuits that mediate negative emotions like sadness and disgust were turned off, while the circuits involved in behavior reward were strongly activated….”

As one of the researchers explained, everyone from politicians to scientists reasons with emotionally based judgments when they have a vested interest in how to interpret the “facts.”

Change Is Possible

Although we tend to defend and rationalize our beliefs, many people do change their views.

  • Some Democrats become Republicans and vice versa.
  • Some believers become atheists and some atheists become believers.
  • Some Mormons become Baptists and some Baptists become Mormons.
  • Some Mormons become critics and some critics become converts.

Critics, however, generally believe that all Mormons take the emotional, less-rational, or irrational approach to cognitive dissonance. Why?

According to many critics, no rational person could study the disconfirming evidence and remain a believer unless they were duped or in denial.

The critics, of course, are just as likely to opt for emotional and less-rational approaches for maintaining their disbelief when confronted with evidence that supports Mormonism. (As will be shown later.)

While it’s certainly possible that some Mormons manage their dissonance in less rational ways, other theories suggest that religious people often have rational reasons for remaining believers despite conflicting evidence.

Commitment, Religion, and Perceived Benefits

All of us, for example, are involved in relationships (with spouses, parents, siblings, or offspring) to which we maintain commitments despite unsettling information.

We tend to recognize that there are long term benefits to sticking with committed relationships, in spite of the short-term costs, which are sometimes quite high.

People committed to their religion accrue benefits such as answers to the meaning of life, or a relationship with the divine.

Rational people will sacrifice for their religious beliefs when they get more in return.

They will even rationalize their behavior and beliefs for some time without a payback, but most of us will not rationalize indefinitely unless our beliefs produce the payback we expect—and many people find that religion does deliver the expected payback.

Some members may choose to live with doubt. They might continue to question the truth claims of Mormonism, but put aside the unsettling issues in favor of the rewards they find in assembling with the Saints.

Those, however, who don’t put their doubts aside—who don’t consciously or unconsciously avoid LDS-critical material and continue to suffer from cognitive dissonance—may eventually move to one of two alternative options: changing cognitions, or adding cognitions.

Option 3: Change Cognitions or Beliefs

3. Change Cognitions or Beliefs (decide that you were wrong about the ball being red—it really is green).

Some people are unable to dismiss doubt-generating discoveries as false or unimportant.

The new competing information may sound persuasive or it may appear to come from a credible source—which, in turn, adds weight to the competing cognition.

We get anxiety when both cognitions seem evenly balanced. This anxiety can build, causing a lot of discomfort, until we seek to restore cognitive consonance (“thought harmony”).

When the tension is reduced, we feel better. Indeed, many ex-Mormons claim that they went through a range of emotions before leaving Mormonism but eventually felt relief once they finally left the Church.

Of course, if cognitive dissonance is at play the same relief is also generally felt by those who come to grips with difficult issues and remain in the Church.

In either scenario, the turmoil caused by cognitive dissonance is resolved.

Avoiding Future Dissonance

Once the discomfort is resolved and their minds are made up to exit the Church, many ex-members avoid future cognitive dissonance that could come from evidence that favors Church claims.

To alleviate this tension they generally explain away pro-LDS arguments in the same two less-rational ways as many members explain away antiMormon literature—they conclude that their former LDS testimony was either false (perhaps a result of feelings, hope, desire, or confirmation bias), or the testimony is rejected as unimportant (no amount of spiritual testimony can compete with the newly perceived “truth” of the secular or historical conflicting evidence).

Like some of their believing counterparts, they often avoid literature that runs contrary to their belief or in this case, their unbelief. In other words, they avoid those evidences that strengthen LDS arguments.

They often decide from the start that LDS scholarly studies are biased, unreliable, or ineffectual before even reading such material.

By disregarding all LDS scholarly studies that challenge their unbelief, they avoid repeating their experience of psychological anxiety.

Who is Really Close-minded?

It’s fairly common, for instance, to encounter critics who are completely unaware of LDS scholarly and defensive studies, yet who claim that anti-LDS arguments prove Mormonism to be fraudulent.

One anonymous Internet-posting critic, for example, claimed that evidence proved that the Book of Abraham was a fraud, while simultaneously admitting that he was completely unfamiliar with the latest scholarly rebuttals to the anti-Mormon accusations.

Another on-line critic claimed that he had no intention of reading LDS scholarly arguments because doing so “would be an incredible waste of time.”

He was satisfied, he bragged, that the truth is not found in Mormonism, and he had no need to see counter arguments.

They’ve already concluded that the Church isn’t true, they believe that anti-Mormon claims provide evidence for their conclusions, and they don’t want answers when their minds are already made up (actually examining pro-LDS rebuttals might recreate cognitive dissonance).

Ironically, the critics are usually the ones who claim to be open-minded in contrast to closed-minded Mormons.

Entrenched Positions and Resistance to Change

Several ex-Mormons, for instance, have said that their opposition to the Church is so strong that they would be unwilling to return regardless of any new information that might come forth.

According to a 2001 informal poll of nearly 400 ex-members, for example, over half said that “nothing” could open the door for their return to Mormonism.

It’s ironic to see that some ex-members, who claim to leave for purely intellectual reasons, actually refuse to examine LDS intellectual arguments for nonintellectual reasons.

Option 4: Adding Cognitions or Information

4. Adding Cognitions or Information to Validate the Original Belief (get another opinion on the color of the ball).

Additional supporting information can shift the weight of evidence to tilt in favor of our original beliefs.

For instance, in the example of the red or green ball, if you discovered that I was color-blind, your personal belief would, once again, carry more weight making it easier to choose between the competing cognitions.

As one Book of Mormon example, we’ll explore the anti-Mormon argument that the Book of Mormon plates could not be made of gold because they would have been too heavy for Joseph to carry when he ran through the forest from would-be ambushers.

When we add the cognition, however, that the plates were said to be gold in appearance and that early Mesoamericans used gold-appearing metals which weighed less than solid gold, we find that the anti-Mormon cognition does not equal or outweigh the pro-Mormon cognition.

Adding cognitions typically calls for a paradigm shift.

We would have to recognize, for example, that the “golden” plates need not be made of pure gold to be called gold (most wedding rings are 14kt gold which is about 58% gold and 42% other alloys).

An overall paradigm shift for Latter-day Saints may require a more nuanced understanding of the role of prophets, scripture, and personal revelation, as well as the limitations of science and scholarship.

Foundations of Testimony

As I noted earlier, a fundamentalist mindset seems to make believers more vulnerable to testimony damage.

Some testimonies, quite frankly, are built on sandy foundations such as folklore, tradition, the admiration of a Church leader, the enjoyment of the LDS social organizations, or memberships based on family pressure.

When there is no true conversion of the spirit, it’s often more difficult to accept those things that must be known by faith alone.

Members who do have spiritual testimonies, however, are not immune to personal apostasy.

Sadly, we know from history that even some formerly stalwart members with significant spiritual experiences—such as Sidney Rigdon and the Three Witnesses—have apostatized.

We learn from Lehi’s vision that some of those who had tasted of the fruit (God’s love), abandon the fruit when pressured from outside influences (see 1 Nephi 8:25, 28).

Contributing Factors for Belief or Disbelief

There are numerous—and oftentimes complex—factors that contribute to each person’s reasons for belief or disbelief.

I’ve noticed, however, a few common elements among many of those who leave the Church over supposedly intellectual reasons.

Many former-Mormons who once had testimonies of the Church also had fundamentalist views about scripture as well as the nature and role of prophets.

These perceptions present themselves as stumbling blocks when they are faced with intellectually challenging issues.

Confusing Rumors or Traditions with Doctrine

Most of us embrace concepts, beliefs, or positions primarily because we’ve never thought of questioning them.

Unfortunately, we occasionally confuse beliefs on peripheral teachings—such as rumors, traditions, or personal opinions—with LDS doctrines.

Sometimes we are unaware of how to think outside the box of conventional LDS interpretations. (Even if those interpretations are based on tradition rather than revelation.) Or we may not know how to handle complex issues.

If we build our house of straw on non-doctrinal ideologies, and the structure collapses on the sandy foundation of misunderstanding, our entire belief system may crumble as well.

  • We might assume, for example, that all prophets of all ages understood all gospel doctrines, principles, and practices in the same way.
  • We may—perhaps unconsciously—embrace a fundamentalist and rigid approach to the categorization of people and principles.
  • We may, for example, believe that a prophet is always spiritual, knowledgeable, kind, and disciplined; he could never err on religious matters nor hold false beliefs.

Seeing Things in Black and White

Sometimes we may, unintentionally, see things in unambiguous black and white.

  • “Mormons have the truth, others do not,” we may conclude.
  • Or, “Paying tithing assures financial stability or prosperity; not paying tithing will lead to financial ruin.”
  • “The Spirit speaks to Mormons and not to non-Mormons.”
  • “If you live righteously your children will all go on missions and be sealed in the temple. If your children go astray or your life is full of problems, you are not living righteously.”

Such a black and white fundamentalist mindset can set us up for problems.

  • There either were horses in the ancient Americas, the fundamentalist mind may think, or the Book of Mormon is false.
  • There either was a world-wide flood that wiped out virtually all life, or the Bible is false.

To the fundamentalist, there is no middle ground.

If they discover what they believe to be persuasive information that there was no world-wide flood, or that actual horses were absent from ancient America, then their entire ideology crumbles beneath them.

And when some people become disaffected—even over false assumptions—further enlightenment or counter-evidences may fail to resuscitate the testimony.

Too Quick to Accept Things We Hear or Read—Unrealistic Expectations

Not infrequently, we are too quick to uncritically accept the things we hear or read—even from sources such as Church leaders or in Church magazines.

It’s not that their words aren’t usually true, but we should use our brains as well as our spirits when we study the gospel.

President N. Eldon Tanner reportedly complained about “the tendency of Church members to read the official magazines with …uncritical acceptance, without engaging in the process of thought, judgment, and inspired confirmation that genuine internal dialogue with the written or spoken word makes possible.”

Too often, we uncritically accept rumors (including faith-promoting rumors) in lieu of facts; traditions, speculation and opinion in lieu of revelation; and unrealistic expectations and illusions of prophets and scripture in lieu of mature and realistic perspectives.

In short, we must recognize the need to open our minds and potentially understand gospel topics in ways we may not have seen them before.

“Disillusionment,” observes psychologist Dr. Wendy Ulrich, “is a very good thing. I do not want to live a life based on illusions, and being disillusioned is very valuable to me.”

Illusions and misconceptions are straw men—they are easily destroyed by accurate information.

Sometimes, part of our testimony—as evidenced by the claims of many ex-Mormons—may, unknowingly, be grounded on illusions and misconceptions.

When critical information destroys conclusions based on straw men or false assumptions, some members will lose their entire testimonies.

The most common misconceptions that seem to factor into personal apostasy include:

  1. Unrealistic Expectations of Prophets
  2. Confusing Tradition With Doctrine
  3. Imposing Our View on Others
  4. Unrealistic Expectations of Science and Scholarship

A. Unrealistic Expectations of Prophets

Prophets are not infallible.

“I make no claim of infallibility,” said President Spencer W. Kimball.

President Harold B. Lee indicated that not every word spoken or written by a General Authority need be considered as inspired. And Elder J. Reuben Clark said that “‘even the President of the Church has not always spoken under the direction of the Holy Ghost.’”

The purpose and mission of the Church is to “invite all to come unto Christ” (D&C 20:59).

Prophets stand as leaders in this invitation and the things they do and say (as prophets) are intended to accomplish this goal.

How do we come unto Christ? The Book of Mormon gives us the six-point pattern:

  1. belief in Christ,
  2. repentance,
  3. baptism,
  4. gift of the Holy Spirit,
  5. enduring to the end, and
  6. being found guiltless at the final judgment.

This list entails personal commitments, attitudes, and relationships with Heavenly Father and Christ. We must make personal commitments and interactions with the Lord.

Prophets help guide us to the waters of truth, but they cannot drink for us.

Guiding us does not mean that all their comments are inerrant.

Expectations vs. Reality

Ex-members generally claim that issues such as polygamy, the translation of the Book of Abraham, or Brigham Young’s racial views created cognitive dissonance that eventually caused them to leave the Church.

Usually, however, the actual competing cognitions are generally a set of assumptions or perceptions of “what a prophet is and how a prophet should behave—compared with evidence about what the prophet was and how the prophet behaved.”

One critic, for example, noted his bewilderment at how the Book of Mormon could be a very poorly written text, if it “were truly dictated from the mouth of an omniscient god….”

Likewise, he seems perplexed as to how Brigham Young, who claimed “to speak for the same omniscient god,” could have fallible thoughts about the cosmos.

Another ex-Mormon recently claimed that “every last thing that came from Joseph’s mouth and/or pen should have been Universal truth.”

Unfortunately, sometimes believing members seem to share this fundamentalist assumption.

Prophets as Mortal Leaders

Prophets are not born as prophets and they are not raised in social and cultural vacuums. When they are called as prophets they don’t suddenly become divine—they are still men.

Prophets have, and are entitled to, their own opinions, their own misconceptions, their own biases, and their own mistakes.

When a Latter-day Saint is called to be:

  • a Relief Society president,
  • an elder’s quorum president, or
  • a bishop or
  • stake president

they bring to their calling many of those things which make up their personalities and worldview, including their strengths, weaknesses, and preconceived ideas.

The same can be said for prophets.

Gospel education, for the prophets and the masses, is an evolutionary process—the same as any other type of education.

Hence the need for continuing revelation. Neither complete doctrines nor specific doctrinal details are always revealed all at once.

As Joseph Smith once said, “It is not wisdom that we should have all knowledge at once presented before us; but that we should have a little at a time; then we can comprehend it.”

The Nature of Revelation

As evidenced by the scriptures and Restoration accounts, revelation is typically not dispensed as an unsolicited gift but is given, instead, in answer to petitioning God.

The First Vision, the Joseph Smith Translation, the Word of Wisdom, and more, all came in answer to prayer.

If the questions aren’t asked, the answers are rarely given.

In the gospel, all of us are novices at various levels of understanding; as learning increases, we are better able to comprehend and express advanced ideas.

Just because a prophet has the keys to the priesthood and the authority to receive revelation from God for the direction of the Church, doesn’t mean that every word spoken by a prophet is infallible, inspired, or factually accurate.

B. Confusing Tradition with Doctrine

Unfortunately, but unavoidably, we—and even prophets—sometimes confuse tradition-based interpretations with doctrines or official positions. Of the many possible examples, I’ll choose Book of Mormon geography as an illustration.

Most members have believed (and perhaps still believe) that Book of Mormon events took place over the entire hemisphere of North and South America.

A cursory reading of the Book of Mormon suggests that North America was the land northward and that South America was the land southward. Present-day Panama naturally comes to mind as the “narrow neck” of land connecting the north and the south.

It’s likely that Joseph Smith, most of his contemporaries, and probably most modern day prophets assumed and even embraced this hemispheric view.

It also seems likely that Joseph and his contemporaries believed that the Indian remnants of his local vicinity furnished evidence of the lives and wars of the Nephites and Lamanites.

Where Did This Tradition Come From?

From where did such beliefs arise?

A superficial reading of the Book of Mormon—in the context of cultural beliefs about the Indians in Joseph’s day—plausibly suggests such a scenario.

Some early nineteenth-century frontiersmen, for example, believed that the Indians were originally white settlers from the lost tribes of Israel.

In the weakness of early LDS understanding it would have made logical sense to envision Book of Mormon geography in context of what they believed about the existence of Indians in North America.

Early LDS leader and writer, Orson Pratt, became a primary promoter of the hemispheric Book of Mormon geography and some of his thoughts were eventually incorporated as footnotes to geographical events in the 1879 edition of the Book of Mormon.

These notes were removed in the 1920 edition, but the influence had already made its impact on many Latter-day Saints.

The hemispheric model was born from supposition in the context of nineteenth-century American speculation and achieved quasi-official status among many members because of tradition rather than revelation.

For most members, there was no need to question a hemispheric geography—it appeared to be the obvious interpretation of the Book of Mormon text.

Shifting Understanding Over Time

Through the years, however, there were a few Latter-day Saints (both lay members and leaders) who questioned a hemispheric geography.

Book of Mormon travel distances suggest a limited geography, and several scholarly studies propose a Mesoamerican location for Book of Mormon events. Today, most LDS scholars and an increasing number of members and leaders believe that Book of Mormon events transpired in Mesoamerica.

It was the traditional view of a hemispheric geography, however, that was passed from generation to generation of Latter-day Saints as an unarguable truth. This “truth” was spoken from the pulpit, integrated into manuals, taught in classes, and casually implied as LDS doctrine for nearly two hundred years among most Church members.

If we assume that Book of Mormon events actually took place in a limited geography, how do we reconcile the fact that past prophets were wrong about the location of Book of Mormon events or the makeup of pre-Columbian peoples?

(It should be remembered that some LDS members—including some early LDS leaders—did not unquestioningly accept the traditional interpretations.)

Tradition and Resistance to Change

We might similarly ask how Old Testament prophets could be wrong about the shape of the earth.

In some ways, traditions seem to follow Newton’s first law of motion which states (in part) that an object in motion tends to stay in motion unless acted upon by extraneous forces.

Until some new information unbalances our traditional views and makes us critically examine those views, we generally tend to uncritically accept most traditions—even when they are wrong.

Prophets, like other mortals, accept traditions that may be in error simply because they’ve never thought about challenging such traditions.

Sometimes when new light is given we resist. Most of us are averse to change; after all, we are creatures of habit.

“I have tried for a number of years,” said Joseph Smith, “to get the minds of the Saints prepared to receive the things of God; but we frequently see some of them, after suffering all they have for the work of God, will fly to pieces like glass as soon as anything comes that is contrary to their traditions.”

It really doesn’t matter how long or how many people (including prophets) believed an erroneous non doctrinal idea.

Doctrine is not determined by how long something is believed, or by the belief’s popularity.

As English author, Gilbert Keith Chesterton, once observed,

“Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashions.”

When we recognize that both members and non-members sometimes mistake official LDS doctrines with traditions, procedures, policies, and the presentation of doctrine, many anti-LDS arguments lose what potency they might have had.

C. Imposing Our Views on Others

Our personal worldviews (what Germans refer to as Weltanschauungs) are a composite of many complex factors.

Our worldviews are as lenses that color the way we analyze our environment and the environment of others.

Often, we can’t understand how other societies could think, say, or do some of the things they do.

Not infrequently we impose our interpretations, understandings, worldviews and ideologies on foreign cultures or different social constructs.

This phenomenon is found in all cultures and in all time periods. It is not limited to Americans, modern people, or Mormons.

Language, Culture, and Interpretation

Our assumptions cause us to interpret words and events in ways that are sometimes at odds with what actually was meant or what actually happened.

  • While virtually all people see the same colors, for example, different people may conceptualize colors differently or divide the color continuum into discrete colors at different points. Russians and Americans, for instance, put the dividing line between green and blue at different points. Some hues that we call green, Russians would call blue.
  • Hair color in Arabic is categorized differently than it is in English. What they term “blonde” we often call brown or red.
  • In England, French fries are called “chips,” whereas our “wheat” is their “corn.”
  • The King James Bible’s “corn” doesn’t refer to American maize but instead refers to a variety of Old World grains—most commonly wheat and barley.

Sometimes a word can mean something different depending on context.

  • We can catch a nap, for instance, or we can catch a fish.
  • Likewise the term “gay,” for instance, generally means something completely different to twenty-first century Americans than it did to eighteenth-century Americans.

If someone were to translate the word into another language, they would need to understand how—or perhaps when—the term was used in English in order to make a correct translation.

Understanding Context in Interpretation

Non-LDS Bible scholars Malina and Rohrbaugh, explain that all readers “must interact with the writing and ‘complete’ it if it is to make sense.”

“Every written document invites immediate participation on the part of the reader. Thus writings provide what is necessary, but cannot provide everything.”

Because reading has strong social elements, readers who share an author’s social environment are more likely to fill in the blanks with instinctively correct mental pictures culled from their own experiences and culture.

Reasonable clarity is enjoyed because of the common social system.

Understanding Different Social Contexts

When the social system between reader and writer is dissimilar—which is often the case with texts written in different times or from different cultures—the mental pictures that a reader unconsciously conjures may be drastically different from the images the writer intended to portray.

When the reader or writer comes from a different social system, then

“as a rule, non understanding—or at best misunderstanding—will be the result.”

Generally a reader’s mental image—especially the image conjured by an uninformed reader—will be influenced by his own culture (a phenomenon known as “recontextualization”).

This problem helps us recognize the importance of understanding different cultures in their own context.

Examples from Scripture

In the Bible, for example, we frequently find references to the “whole earth.” When we hear this phrase as twenty-first century Americans, we think of the entire planet.

Ancient people, however—those for whom the scriptures were initially written—did not envision the earth as a planet in the same sense we do today.

To the people of the Bible, whole earth generally referred to the inhabited lands of which they knew—this was their world.

In Exodus 10:12, for instance, we read that the Lord caused the “land of Egypt” to be swarmed by locusts. Yet in verse 15 we read that the locusts covered “the face of the whole earth.” Obviously the whole earth still referred to Egypt.

Similarly, in Luke 2:1 we read that Caesar Augustus sent a decree to tax “all the world.” I seriously doubt that Augustus was trying to extract tax from all the nations in Europe, Asia, and the Americas.

Understanding the ancient use of “earth” in the Bible helps us understand the use of terms “earth” and “land” in the Book of Mormon—both of which generally refer to localized areas.

Understanding this difference is important when we endeavor to comprehend what Book of Mormon authors were saying in relation to geography and the possibility of other inhabitants.

Context and Interpretation

When we try to understand nineteenth century LDS events, as well as the events in the Book of Mormon, as real events that happened to real people within the context that they lived and reacted to their environment, we find that many of the critics’ objections become less problematic or may disappear altogether.

In fact, when we analyze the Book of Mormon through a lens that assumes an ancient Mesoamerica production culture, details in the book make more sense than if we assume a modern production culture.

D. Unrealistic Expectations of Science & Scholarship

Science and scholarship encompass rigorous disciplines that enable us to know more about the world of today as well as the world of the past.

As Latter-day Saints, we should recognize that truth is truth – regardless the source.

As Joseph Smith said,

“One of the grand fundamental principles of Mormonism is to receive truth, let it come from whence it may…. We should gather all the good and true principles in the world and treasure them up, or we shall not come out true Mormons.”

Many educated members acknowledge that the facts uncovered by science, and the theories formulated by scholars and historians are generally true and accurate or at least reasonably plausible.

Nevertheless, there are some things that science cannot currently answer.

Limits of Scientific and Historical Inquiry

Despite the claims of the critics, for instance, DNA science and archaeology are too limited to damage the historicity of the Book of Mormon. I don’t have the time to get into the details here, but I discuss both in greater depth in my book.

Likewise, Historical scholarship can’t tell us that God created the earth, that Jesus rose from the grave, or that the Father & Son visited Joseph Smith.

All Observation is Biased

It’s also important to understand that there is no such thing as a truly unbiased observer.

Historians try to reconstruct past events. Many critics claim that Mormons are biased and therefore put a “spin” on their historical narratives.

These same critics claim that since they are not Mormon—they are therefore unbiased.

This, in turn (they imply) offers a reason to trust their account over LDS accounts because they are just “letting the facts speak for themselves”.

The Reality of Bias

Regardless of one’s education or intelligence, all of us have limited knowledge that is, at times, fragmentary, flawed, and in at least some instances, distorted.

What we can’t know or do not fully understand we support with what we perceive as understanding.

No one can completely divest themselves of bias, ideologies, or presuppositions.

These biases are generally at the heart of how we approach an issue. They are the hinge for many crucial arguments that we accept. And a major factor in what we consider to be confirming or supporting evidence.

Our perceptions—or how we understand things—are always colored by a variety of factors including:

  • our education,
  • ambitions,
  • desires,
  • personal history,
  • emotional health, etc.

Bias in Scholarship and Science

Lest we suppose that bias and ideology are weaknesses limited strictly to the unlearned or to those who believe in the supernatural, it’s noteworthy that the philosophies of science and history point out the same weakness in even the most rigorous disciplines.

Pure objectivity is a myth.

No scholarship is completely (or even substantially) free from agenda, preference, ambition, or bias.

The late scientist and philosopher Thomas Kuhn, for example, taught that scientific communities share a “constellation of beliefs” known as paradigms.

These paradigms—which denote a group’s bias and ideology—include

  • a shared set of standards,
  • rules, and
  • underlying assumptions,
  • that unify a scientific community around a “group-licensed way of seeing.”

As another researcher explains, these underlying assumptions dictate

“what scholars view as established fact, what kind of new data they look for, the relative significance they assign to different data, …and the interpretive lenses they prefer.”

Dr. David Hacket Fischer, non-Mormon history professor at Brandeis University, notes,

“the Baconian fallacy consists in the idea that a historian can operate without the aid of preconceived questions, hypotheses, ideas, assumptions, or general presuppositions of any kind.”

“‘Every vision of history,’” writes non-LDS historian Steven Best, “‘functions as a specific lens or optic that a theorist employs to illuminate some facet of human reality. Each perspective is both enabling, allowing a strongly focused study, and limiting, preventing consideration of other perspectives.’”

Dan Vogel—a critic who has authored numerous publications questioning traditional interpretations of LDS history—claims that once an historian decides that traditional LDS accounts have “no historical basis, then Smith’s claims about the angel and gold plates cannot be taken at face value.”

Bias and Paradigms in Historical Interpretation

Elsewhere he acknowledged his “inclination [is] …to interpret any claim of the paranormal… as delusion or fraud.”

For him, there can be no communication from God; there can be no authentic scripture.

Because all revelatory experiences are dismissed from the start, all explanations for the claims of revelation must come from environmental and natural sources. Despite any evidence to the contrary.

In a public forum Vogel wrote that to take

“Joseph at his word, I would have to believe the [Book of Mormon] is historical…but I don’t. If the [Book of Mormon] is not historical, then what was [Joseph Smith] about?”

For those (like himself) who do not believe in an historical Book of Mormon or the existence of Nephites,

“then one is obliged to explain the plates and witnesses” with a theory “consistent with that conclusion” “no matter how difficult it seems.”

A decade ago, Richard Bushman astutely observed that

“believing historians are more inclined to be true to the basic sources than unbelieving ones” and that “secular historians are… more inclined than Mormons to suppress source material from Joseph’s closest associates.”

With the foregone conclusion that the Book of Mormon is not historical the question is not,

“Did Joseph actually translate an ancient text?” but rather,

“What factors influenced Joseph in writing his fictional Book of Mormon?”

These examples provide excellent illustrations of the way paradigms

  • drive research,
  • affect the way evidence is presented,
  • determine which evidences are presented and
  • which anomalies are ignored as well as
  • the conclusions that are formulated.

In areas such as history, we are faced with competing paradigms that are influenced by the ideology of the historian.

Claims of Objectivity

Some critics claim or imply that unlike Mormon apologists (those who defend LDS beliefs) they (the critics) are free from bias. They simply let the facts speak for themselves.

Such critics claim to be “dedicated to pursuing the truth regardless of where it leads”. Whereas apologists supposedly know the “conclusions at the start” and sift “the facts and evidence to find support.”

Such a claim is absurd, however. In light of the fact that no mortal is able to completely divest oneself of bias.

Inoculation Against Shaken Faith

While adding cognitions may salvage damaged testimonies, a change in paradigms before encountering challenging issues often serves as an inoculation against shaken faith syndrome.

When you think about inoculation, it protects people against diseases. But there’s always a few people that it can hurt. And we run into that problem even with trying to inoculate members against some of these anti-Mormon claims.

Dan Peterson, writing in a public forum, offered this example. It’s based on a lecture he attended by the late Stanley Kimball regarding the complexity of LDS history.

He [Stanley Kimball] spoke of three levels of Mormon history.

Level A, he said, is the Sunday School version. Everything on Level A is obviously good and true and harmonious.

Level B, however, is the anti-Mormon version of the same story. On this level, everything that you thought was good and true and harmonious actually turns out to be evil and false and chaotic.

Well, there is a level C that is a synthesis of the two.

It’s both. It’s pretty much like A, but it exposes people to B.

He noted that the Church typically seeks to keep its members on Level A. Or, at least, feels no institutional obligation to bring them to a deeper level. Why? Because souls are sometimes lost on Level B.

Moving to a Mature Understanding (Level C)

The problem is that for somebody to move to C, they have to be exposed to B.

And for some people, that can cause testimony damage.

So it’s a challenging issue. How to teach people about the rest of the nuances out there without hurting a testimony.

Once members of the Church have been exposed to Level B, though, he said, their only hope is to press on to the richer, more complicated version of history that is to be found on Level C. Which, he contended and I agree, turns out to be essentially, and profoundly, like Level A.

  • The only cure for bad historiography is better historiography.
  • The only remedy for bad anti-Mormon arguments is better counterarguments.
  • Not everybody needs Level C.

But some do. Whether because they are troubled by Level B or because they find Level A insufficiently nourishing in some way.

Many good Saints will live their entire lives on Level A, and they will be saved.

Interestingly, people that move to C usually keep their testimonies intact. And have a richer understanding of their beliefs, as well.

To reach Level C we must:

  • be willing to become more mature in our beliefs, attitudes, and perspectives;
  • we must be willing to let go of idealistic fantasies, myths, and folklore;
  • we must be willing to add cognitions (or beliefs) to our worldviews; and
  • we must be open-minded enough to synthesize competing cognitions.

The Role of Scholarship

Fortunately for those who are struggling with challenging questions, we have the benefit of living in a day when LDS and non-LDS scholars have made substantial contributions to our understanding of scriptural histories as well as LDS history.

We live in a day when additional insights can ameliorate concerns over challenging issues. This,  in turn, can soften our hearts to the whisperings of the Spirit allowing us to receive a spiritual witness.

Uninformed Members

The biggest problem with adding cognitions is that most members remain ignorant of LDS scholarship and apologetic responses. Many members have never heard of FARMS or FAIR.

Many of the older generation have heard of Hugh Nibley, but how many have actually read his works?

When some members encounter persuasive sounding anti-LDS information they accept it as accurate. Because they’re unaware of pro-LDS rebuttals, these new arguments win by default.

It may suddenly seem obvious that Joseph Smith was a charlatan and that his scriptures were fictional creations.

There are, however, cogent, scholarly, and logical responses to anti-Mormon accusations. And when struggling members do find additional evidences to support their beliefs, testimonies generally remain intact.

I hope that our efforts see an increase in recognition. And that more and more members will be made aware of:

  • FAIR,
  • FARMS,
  • the scholarly evidence in favor of Joseph’s prophetic abilities, as well as
  • the apologetic answers to challenging questions.

As Sir Francis Bacon said, ipsa scientia potestas est (knowledge is power).

May more members strengthen their testimonies by embracing the knowledge of LDS apologetics and scholarship.

Thank you.

Q&A

Question:

When encountering critics of the Church:

  1. how do you determine whether or not it is worth your while to defend the faith, and
  2. where do you draw the line?

Most critics, in my experience, are closed-minded to begin with.

Answer: And that’s really true. Years ago, I used to get more on the message boards and try to debate the critics. I found that pointless.

Basically, it’s a matter of determining: does this person really have questions, or are they just wanting to argue? And if there’s really questions, then I’m willing to engage in a discussion.

If they just are trying to score points, then it’s not worth my time. I have more important things to do.

Question:

Thus far education on how to respond to anti-Mormon literature is not a part of the CES system or missionary training. With increased use of the internet, how do you expect this to change?

Answer: Richard Bushman gave a seminar on apologetics to several people from the CES system. Scott Gordon was there, and I think some other FAIR members shared some ideas. I think there’s some effort from the Church to teach the members about some of these more difficult issues.

Question:

When will your talk be available?

Answer: It’s available in book form in the back of the conference right now.

Question:

When should we begin to inoculate a member? When and under what circumstances?

Answer: That’s a tough one. I think that, you know, the saying is that sunshine is the best disinfectant.

The problem is that some people like to throw out these interesting things for shock value—even members do.

I’ve seen that sometimes in elders quorum or Sunday School. It’s like, “Hey, do you know that Joseph Smith had so many wives,” etc.

And they do it just to, you know, make themselves look good or as a shock value.

We need to be sensitive that we cannot be participants in damaging anybody’s testimony.

If we present anything controversial, we really should try to expose those things in a faithful context.

And so, it’s rewarding and enriching rather than damaging.

Question:

So what is the true color of the ball?

Answer: Purple, I guess.

Question:

When the prophet speaks, the debate is done?

Answer: That’s from an old era thing—“When the president speaks, the thinking has been done.”

It’s been repudiated by… I can’t even remember now, my mind’s gone blank. But there’s a Dialogue article about it. That’s not the position of the Church.

There’s several quotes in my book that talk about this. The Brethren expect us to think for ourselves, and the Lord expects us to think for ourself.

You think of Lehi’s vision. Okay, he had his vision, and then his sons asked what happened.

But what did Nephi do? He didn’t just ask about the vision.

What did he do? He went to the Lord himself and said, “Help me understand this.”

Okay, that should be our example. We get stuff from General Conference and from the Brethren. Then we’re supposed to go to the Lord and receive our own confirmation and understand ourselves.

Thank you.

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I Learned it on the Internet: Maintaining Faith in Today’s Online World

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Question
How can I tell if what I read about the Church online is true?

Short Answer
Not everything online is reliable, especially when it comes to Church history and doctrine. The best way to find truth is to start with trusted sources, seek balanced and well-documented information, and approach questions with both faith and careful evaluation. Many misleading claims come from incomplete or distorted presentations of real history.
Key Takeaways
  • Many online claims are based on partial information or lack proper context
  • Trusted sources include the Church, professional historians, and faithful scholarship
  • Viral or emotionally charged content is often designed for clicks, not accuracy
  • Evaluating both the source and your own spiritual receptiveness is essential
  • Focusing on core gospel truths helps avoid being distracted by secondary issues
Question
Did the LDS Church lie about its history?

Short Answer
No—most claims that the Church “lied” about its history stem from misunderstandings, incomplete information, or shifting expectations about how history should be taught. Historical details, including complex or less-discussed topics, have long been available in primary sources and Church publications. The real issue is often not concealment, but how and where people encounter the information.
Key Takeaways
  • Many controversial historical details were publicly available long before they became widely discussed online
  • Accusations of “lying” often arise from differences between simplified teaching and detailed historical records
  • Online sources may present selective or misleading information without full context
  • Faithful scholarship and Church resources provide more complete and balanced explanations
  • Evaluating both the source and intent behind claims is essential for finding truth

Summary

Summary

Scott Gordon uses a personal story about repairing a truck to illustrate how not everything found online is reliable. He applies this lesson to common criticisms of the Church, particularly regarding the Book of Mormon translation process, showing that these issues have long been publicly available and are often misunderstood rather than hidden.

The talk emphasizes that while historical details can be interesting, they are secondary to the core truth claims of the gospel—especially the Book of Mormon. It encourages individuals to seek answers from trusted sources, remain spiritually grounded, and respond to doubt or criticism with patience and faith. The speaker concludes by bearing testimony and urging love and understanding toward those who struggle or leave the Church.

TL;DR

TL;DR (Too Long; Didn’t Read)

Not everything online is true—especially claims about Church history. The speaker shows that controversial topics like the seer stone were never hidden, just misunderstood. Focus on trusted sources, stay grounded in faith, and remember that the truth of the Book of Mormon is what matters most.

A Simple Story About a Pickup Truck

So this—this is my pickup truck. I bet you didn’t expect to see that in a conference, right?

It was my father’s. I inherited it from him, and in case you don’t notice, it’s really old—like, it’s older than some of the people sitting in the audience here. And many of the plastic parts on it were broken and damaged by the sun.

In fact, when I touched the tail light, my finger went all the way through the plastic lens because it was so corroded by the sun.

Trying to Fix What Was Broken

So I decided I wanted to fix it up and make the truck just a little bit nicer. So I tried to replace all of the plastic parts on it, and I replaced—it was going really well—and I would replace most of them until I tried to replace the air vents.

This is the “after” picture, not the before. I didn’t think to take a “before” picture. I mean, the before picture was just kind of a square hole—that is what it was.

So when I tried to replace those air vents, I looked for the parts, and I discovered there were no parts in the United States. Didn’t exist—too old.

Turning to the Internet for Answers

So I had to order parts from Malaysia and wait for them to come, and it took a whole month. And so I finally got them, and with excitement I went down to my truck, and I realized I didn’t know how to put it in. I had no idea.

So where did I go to get the answers? YouTube, right? YouTube has the answer to everything related to car repairs.

So I looked at YouTube, and I found a video that explained exactly how to do it. And what it said is you could take a couple of butter knives, and there’s like a button on the ends of these vents, and all you have to do is put the butter knives in on each end and press it in, and it’ll just slip right into the hole.

And I thought, like, well, that sounds pretty easy—I’ll do that.

When Internet Advice Goes Wrong

Okay, and so I put the knives on each end, and I pushed in.

And the vent completely collapsed and fell apart.

So I went back to YouTube, and I looked around again, and I found a different video. And this new video started by saying, contrary to what some other videos claim, you can’t simply bend the parts and slip them in—you have to take the dashboard apart.

So I had to buy new parts from Malaysia, wait for them to be shipped to me, and try again. And this time, it did work.

Not Everything Online Is True

So why am I telling you this story?

Well, it’s to illustrate that not everything we learn on the internet is true. In our mind, we say, of course I know that—but in our heart and in our soul, sometimes we’re afraid that the things we read on the internet might be true.

And we occasionally panic when we read things that go against our beliefs. And the fear that it could possibly be true can sometimes shake our faith—we stop listening, we stop exploring, we simply take it as fact.

When People Encounter Church History Online

Every day I get emails from people saying they just learned something about the church on the internet, and they wonder why they didn’t know it before. And they often assume the church has hidden it from them.

For example, I’ve seen several people on TikTok and YouTube who are very upset that there’s a claim that Joseph Smith used the Nephite breastplate, known as—or often referred to as—the Urim and Thummim when he started translating the Book of Mormon, but later shifted to using a small, dark-colored stone called the seer stone.

And in 1870, in talking about the Book of Mormon translation, Emma Smith said,

“Now the first part that my husband translated was translated by use of the Urim and Thummim, and that was the part Martin Harris lost. After that, he used a small stone, not exactly black, but was rather dark in color.”

The Question Critics Raise

Well, I’ve been told the church has hidden this fact for many years.

One prominent church critic—who was discussed earlier in an earlier presentation—brings up this issue seven times in his booklet. Clearly he thought it was important, if not devastating. Perhaps it was a smoking gun.

So what happened? Why did the church hide this for so long?

The Information Was Never Hidden

Well, the answer is—they didn’t.

The information has been around and accessible for a long time. Martin Harris, Oliver Cowdery, and Emma Smith all spoke about it. Their quotes can easily be found on this matter using Google.

You can even read about it in the anti–Latter-day Saint book Mormonism Unvailed, written in 1834, which can also be found online.

Where This Has Been Published

It has been published in several places:

  • the 1930 History of the Church, volume 1, page 128;
  • March 1974 New Era magazine;
  • September 1974 Friend magazine;
  • September 1977 Ensign magazine;
  • January 1988; July 1993;
  • January 2013;
  • October 2015—
  • and it’s discussed on the Church of Jesus Christ website in the Gospel Topics section.

The 1993 Ensign article was written by—this, the writer might be somewhat obscure to you—his name was Russell M. Nelson.

So clearly, this information can easily be found and is not hidden.

“Lazy Learners” and Common Criticisms

It is the ease of finding examples like this that can bring up the admittedly disliked moniker of “lazy learners.”

When I brought up this example recently, the response I got back was that we only mentioned it eight times in 40-plus years, and the paintings about the translation didn’t show it exactly that way, so that proves the Church was trying to hide it.

Well, it clearly isn’t a secret. It was in Church magazines—but admittedly, it also isn’t taught in most Church Sunday School classes.

Why Isn’t This Taught in Sunday School?

If it’s not a secret, why don’t we teach it in Sunday School?

Well, first, Joseph Smith was questioned several times on translation, and he would simply repeat the phrase that it had been done by the gift and power of God. And one time he added, “It is not intended to tell the world all the particulars of the coming forth of the Book of Mormon.”

So it is not Joseph Smith—it is other witnesses who talk about the method of translation. Joseph Smith obviously didn’t think the method was very important.

A Historical Detail, Not a Doctrinal Issue

Secondly, exactly how the Book of Mormon is translated is not really relevant to our living the Gospel of Jesus Christ. It is simply a historical detail.

Whether that detail is right or wrong does not change the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

And in our Sunday School classes, we’re really not a Sunday School class of historical details—we try to teach Sunday School classes to help people better follow Jesus Christ and improve their lives.

Critics and the Focus on Method

It seems that critics don’t like the method of the Book of Mormon translation, but they ignore the results.

Or, if he used the right method, the Church failed to tell us about it—and the proof is the illustration from the Book of Mormon that doesn’t show the stone.

But he did use the method that’s in the illustration—he just didn’t use it for the whole book.

Plus, illustrations are not meant to be photographs and are seldom historically accurate.

A Note on Illustrations

Feel free to go to your local community college—I happen to know a community college really well, I work at one—and have a conversation with the art teacher there about it.

Or you could type it into ChatGPT—and I tried that—and it comes back that no, illustrations are not generally historically accurate.

The “Stone” Criticism

In a recent discussion I had on this topic, it occurred to me that the critics were complaining that to aid in the translation, Joseph Smith may have used a stone he found.

I should say he may have used the stone that he found instead of, as they previously believed, two stones found by a previous prophet.

So to summarize this: two stones from a different prophet are okay, but one stone from Joseph Smith proves the Church is false.

A Story About Perspective

The attitude of the critics on this topic reminds me of a situation I heard from a man during a priesthood meeting discussion.

He said that after he had been married for a few years, he decided he did not like his wife. They were not getting along. He thought she was overly critical of him and thought it was a mistake that he’d ever married her.

But before he divorced her, someone—and I believe, if I remember right, it was actually his attorney—told him to start a daily journal.

Learning to See the Good

And each day, he should write down one good thing about his wife—one good thing she had done or said or that he noticed.

And he said the first week it was almost an impossible task. He didn’t notice anything worthwhile, but he dutifully wrote down some small things that she did.

She did wash the dishes, and she prepared lunches for the children.

A Change of Heart

And as he did this daily, it became easier and easier to see the good things that she was doing and to recognize what a wonderful person she was.

One day, while he was away at work, his wife found his journal. And she didn’t say anything—she decided it was a good idea, so she started her own journal.

And they are now happily married, and they’re the best of friends, and they still keep their journals.

Seeing Only the Negative

Sometimes I think the critics, just like this man, could see no good in his wife. Critics sometimes can see no good in the Church.

Everything—even innocent behavior from members of the Church—must have some nefarious motive.

But when you only look for the bad, you only find the bad. When you look for the good, you find the good far exceeds any negative things you struggle with, and you live a much happier life.

The Reality of the Book of Mormon

So, okay—the method of translation is certainly interesting to discuss, but as I said before, it really is simply a historical detail.

No matter what the translation method is, we have a Book of Mormon. It’s a tangible object. It’s real.

And you can’t simply explain it away. As you read it, you recognize the miracle of that book.

The Influence of Online Voices

Online influencers simply want clicks on their online videos—we heard about that today—and the more outrageous the claim, the more clicks you get and the more money they make.

And they often make sure each claim is as controversial as possible to maximize the clicks. Notice the bloody ax gratuitously included in this slide to increase interest.

To many people, it seems that a random person on TikTok is more authoritative than any real historians or scholars, and must be believed if they can make a good video.

The Rise of the “Citizen Journalist”

The citizen journalist has become the harbinger of truth, even when that person may be simply repeating old, long-ago refuted rumors and old anti-Mormon books.

Elder Russell M. Ballard has said,

“Beware of those who speak and publish in opposition to God’s true prophets and who actively proselytize others. They rely on sophistry to deceive and entice others to their views. They set themselves up for a light unto the world, and they may get gain and praise to the world.”

FAIR’s Role and Approach

So FAIR is here to provide basic information and facts related to many of these topics.

We’ve often been dismissed by the critics—”oh, they simply engage in ad hominem attacks!” I hear. But when I ask, “where?” (and I have asked) the critics haven’t been able to find examples.

That’s because we go to great lengths to talk about the arguments and not the people.

Staying Focused on Arguments, Not People

That’s not to say we’re perfect at it. There have been occasions when we’ve grown frustrated with people making absurd claims without evidence, and I have questioned the honesty of the author or podcaster.

But it’s always in context of the facts, and it’s never simply a dismissal based on who they are.

FAIR is here to cut through the propaganda, the repeating of rumors, and the arguments that would often not make it through a freshman English writing class.

Improving the Quality of Discussion

Now, before anyone jumps on me for that statement, there are also apologetic writings defending the Church that would also not pass that bar.

I have seen that in arguments related to Book of Mormon geography, race in the priesthood, and plural marriage.

All I can say is I hope the arguments get better on both sides, actually.

Global Impact of FAIR

But FAIR is here to strengthen testimonies. We recently had a donor who paid for a few people to travel to Europe for some conferences and firesides.

In Salzburg, we met a sister who had traveled all the way from Hungary to read our talks or to see our talks. She was frustrated that because of the language barrier it wasn’t available to many of her fellow Hungarians.

In Bulgaria, I met a man from Turkey who had many questions that were preventing him from joining the Church. He found FAIR, found his answers, and was baptized.

The Growing Need for Resources

But we have a problem. FAIR is honestly made up of simply a few volunteers, backed up by several outsiders willing to give their expertise at our conferences.

People ask us to respond to questions, videos, and websites. We have a 10,000-page website that needs to be updated.

We have people who want us to do firesides or conferences in other areas.

The Challenge of Keeping Up

So far, we’ve relied on faith and small donations to get us through.

As technology has become more and more complicated, we find that we need more resources to keep up.

Without people donating to us, we wouldn’t be able to keep up. So far, FAIR has been operating on a budget that’s less than the salary of one of the podcasters who attacks the Church.

A Call for Support

Now granted, he’s one of the more famous podcasters—but his salary is more than our entire budget.

How can we hope to keep up?

Let me share with you this clip given by Elder Pearson at a previous FAIR conference:

“Independent voices are needed in reaching out to those among us who are struggling to find and sustain faith, and in responding to those who unfairly criticize, misrepresent, distort, and demean the Church, its history, doctrine, and leadership. More needs to be done to increase awareness of, access to, and confidence in these independent, trusted resources by Latter-day Saints and seekers of truth. These are valued, trusted resources, and they need more support. They need more financial support, among other things, given the enormity of the challenge. Good people of faith are going to have to think about what they want to use their resources to put against, and FAIR Mormon cannot possibly engage at the level they’re capable of without more financial resources.”

A Final Note on Support

Okay, of course you’d expect a donation ad from me—but it’s true.

And he spoke also about—he also included other organizations that are represented at the conference here in his talk.

Teaching a New Generation

So each year I finish my semester teaching students in accounting who are easily completing their homework—they understand the principles I’m teaching them.

Then the new semester starts, and a new group of students stare blankly at me and act as if they’ve never heard the subject matter before. That’s because they haven’t heard it before, and I have to start over and teach the new class the same information from the very beginning.

Gospel Learning Works the Same Way

The same is true with gospel learning and for evaluating critical arguments.

Each generation is a new group of students learning again why the gospel is true. And I hear it over and over again where people will have a question, and people will respond with, “Oh, that old thing—that’s already been discussed.”

No, it hasn’t been discussed—not with a new generation. It’s only been discussed with us older folks, I guess.

Key Differences in How People Learn

But there are a couple of differences with my students and with people with gospel questions and such.

First, even though I’m giving my students new information they have not heard before, it is really rare for them to say that since they haven’t heard it before, I must have been hiding it.

Secondly, unlike my students who typically go to class to learn from me, those struggling with gospel questions quickly turn to the internet and follow whosoever has a good video, regardless of their qualifications.

Where People Turn in a Faith Crisis

They’ve done studies with people who have a crisis of faith—do they first turn to the Church or their loved ones?

No. They usually first go to the internet and do their own research, not realizing that many of the online sources are not trustworthy.

I’m saddened when I see people leave the Church because of what they read or see on these deceptive websites.

The Danger of Misinformation

How would you feel if you left the Church and then found out you were lied to by the person who is telling you the Church was lying?

So how do you avoid being led astray?

Start with Trusted Sources

First, focus on using trusted sources.

Your first trusted source is the Church and professional Church historians. From there, you can expand your circle to include BYU Studies and other faithful resources like FAIR, Interpreter, and Scripture Central.

In all of that, be careful of anyone who claims to know more than the Church or claims that the Church has been deceived—that is a sure indication that something is wrong.

Your Personal Receptiveness to Truth

Then we have the issue of your personal receptiveness to the true truth.

  1. Are you spending excessive time on social media,
  2. getting angry with everyone—even in defense of the gospel? Anger will drive away the Spirit and leave you susceptible to doubts.
  3. Are you involved in any behavior that’s not in keeping with the commandments—
  4. or maybe you have not broken any of the commandments, but you would like to and spend lots of time thinking about it?

What Are You Surrounding Yourself With?

On the other hand:

  • are you spending your time attending church,
  • studying scriptures,
  • listening to uplifting talks and music?

Are you engaged in:

  • service,
  • visiting the temple, and
  • seeking the Lord’s guidance in prayer?

In short, with whom and what are you surrounding yourself?

Staying Focused on the Core Question

It’s easy to get sidetracked on various criticisms of the Church.

Most of these issues we run into on social media or on the internet are simply distractions.

I can say that because most questions really come down to the question about the Book of Mormon.

The Central Truth Claim

If the Book of Mormon is true, then Joseph Smith was a prophet of God.

If he was a prophet, then the priesthood keys that the Lord said would never be taken again from the earth are still here, held by President Russell M. Nelson.

And this is the Church of Jesus Christ today.

A Common Criticism: Archaeology and the Book of Mormon

Let me give you an example of a criticism that repeatedly comes up—but research provides answers for.

Archaeology—doesn’t archaeology prove the Book of Mormon as false?

Well, in 2019, Matt Roper, building on previous work done by archaeologist Dr. John Clark, examined many books claiming to prove the Book of Mormon false through archaeology.

Examining the Evidence

He presented his results in a FAIR conference such as this one, and he identified every archaeological evidence listed against it. Then, he produced the following list of 200 items.

Matt then looked at modern archaeology and found the claims that were supposed to prove the Book of Mormon false are now supported by archaeological evidence.

Where there is no archaeological evidence, he used red. Where there’s accepted archaeological evidence, he used green. And where there is evidence but still disagreement on it—or uncertainty on it—he used blue.

What the Data Shows

The Book of Mormon was written in 1830, but in 2019, 81% of the things that were supposed to prove the Book of Mormon was a fake are either confirmed to be true or trending in the direction to be true.

Had Joseph Smith used the archaeological beliefs of his day to author the Book of Mormon, it would have been wrong.

Instead, people criticized the book for more than 190 years for things we now know to be true.

Why Old Criticisms Persist

Unfortunately, on the internet, they’re still repeating a lot of those old claims.

To me, this shows if you have questions, in faith, answers will come. They may not come right away—as some of these criticisms have gone on for 190 years—but they do come.

Scholarship and Discipleship

We do not talk about these things much in church. Knowing this information does not change our behavior.

The Church is trying to make us disciples of Jesus Christ and not necessarily scholars.

Being a scholar does not make you a better person—but if you want to study scholarship, the information is there. FAIR, Interpreter, Scripture Central, and other organizations are there to help you with those intellectual reasons to stay.

Counsel from President Nelson

In April Conference 2022, President Russell M. Nelson gave a talk on spiritual momentum. He said we should learn about God and how He works.

He also said we should pray always and study our scriptures.

And then in a 2022 devotional, President Nelson said that:

“If you have questions—and I hope you do—seek answers with a fervent desire to believe. Learn all you can about the gospel, and be sure to turn to truth-filled sources for guidance.”

Seeking Truth from the Right Sources

As you go through your life, you will hear good things and bad things about the Church—that is the nature of social media, and that’s the nature of the internet.

But know that I have spent many years reading criticisms of the Church. My testimony of the truthfulness of the gospel is stronger today than it has ever been.

Anchored in Jesus Christ

My anchor is Jesus Christ and the book that testifies of Him—the Book of Mormon.

Living the principle is not always easy, but if we do, we will be blessed.

When Loved Ones Leave the Church

So one more thought—what do we do if we have family or friends who leave the Church, or people who study the gospel and don’t join?

My experience says you should love them.

You do not try to convince them they’re wrong—I’m sure you’ve seen how well that works in politics. It doesn’t.

Responding with Love and Patience

  • You wait for them.
  • You answer their questions as they come up, and
  • You hold on to what you know.

Remember, life is eternal, so change may come for them sometime later—perhaps not even in this life.

We are eternal beings in temporal bodies, but we can still hold on to the truthfulness of the gospel.

Love Without Agreement

To love others, we do not have to agree with them.

We can know it is true, and we can love our neighbor and our family as Jesus commanded us to do.

Final Encouragement

So I want to point out one more thing—in the Church Gospel Library app, if you pull up your Gospel Library app, they’ve created a new section to give additional guidance to you if you’re struggling with questions yourself or if you’re trying to help someone struggling with questions.

What you don’t want to do is get angry with them or drive them away—you want to love them, listen to them, and trust in the Lord.

Testimony

I know that Jesus is the Christ. He is my Savior. He loves us and wants the best for us.

He’s given us the Bible and the Book of Mormon. I know the Book of Mormon is true, and this is His Church.

And I say these things in the name of Jesus Christ, amen.

We Do Not Doubt Our Mothers Knew It

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Question
How can parents raise strong children in a world of doubt and confusion?

Short Answer
Parents can best prepare their children for spiritual challenges by strengthening their own conversion, modeling faith, and teaching trust in God—even without having all the answers. Children learn belief and resilience primarily through what they consistently see and experience at home.
Key Takeaways
  • Children learn faith by watching their parents’ personal conversion
  • Obedience and trust in God build spiritual resilience
  • Doubt should lead to deeper trust, not disengagement
  • Belief is a conscious choice, even without complete understanding
  • Parents cannot control outcomes, but they can shape foundations

Summary

Summary

Lynnette Sheppard teaches that modern parents are raising children in a time of intense spiritual conflict, where ideas and influences can pull even the faithful away from Christ. Using the example of the stripling warriors’ mothers, she highlights that the most powerful preparation for children is not perfection in parenting, but deep personal conversion and consistent discipleship.

The talk emphasizes that agency is central to God’s plan, meaning parents cannot control their children’s choices. However, they are responsible for teaching faith, obedience, and trust in God. Sheppard explains that doubt is a natural part of life but should ultimately lead individuals to rely more fully on God. By choosing belief and modeling unwavering trust, parents can help their children develop the spiritual resilience needed to remain faithful, regardless of life’s challenges.

TL;DR

TL;DR (Too Long; Didn’t Read)

Raising faithful children starts with parents who are deeply converted themselves. Even in a world full of doubt and confusion, children learn to trust God by watching consistent faith, obedience, and belief modeled at home. You can’t control your children’s choices—but you can prepare them to choose Christ.

Introduction

Speaker Introduction

Lynnette Sheppard is a writer, gospel enthusiast, parenting coach, and host of the Stand with Lynnette podcast. On her podcast and social media platforms, she aims to help Latter-day Saint women stand firmly with Jesus Christ and raise righteous, well-prepared kids. She graduated from BYU with a degree in Family Science, but most of her practical knowledge has come from hands-on experience raising her five highly determined children, four of whom are now grown.

She is currently in the process of publishing her first book entitled “Stripling Mothers.” In her spare time, she enjoys hiking, cooking, working as a temple ordinance worker, and being a grandma.

Who Here Loves Fiction?

Okay, so I want to start out with a question. By a raise of hands, who out there in the audience loves to read fiction? Where are my fiction readers?

Okay, you are like my people. I want to be like you, and I am like you in the fact that I too really love to read fiction. But when I get involved in a good fiction story, my whole life tends to disappear except what’s on the page.

And so I have a hard time focusing on any kind of work. My house is a wreck. Do I even have children? I can’t remember. And if I do, I really hope they don’t need anything because I am unavailable for consults until I find out what happens to my new fictional friends.

The Problem with Loving Stories Too Much

And as you might imagine, this can become a little bit of a problem. My productivity, my availability for the people in my life that might need me, just kind of goes in the tank.

And so I can’t allow myself to read fiction very often. But when I do allow myself that luxury, I almost always choose World War II historical fiction. I don’t know—there’s something about that genre that just grabs me and pulls me in.

And that is ironic, because I also really hate sad stories. If somebody’s going to die in this book, I’m out. I don’t want any part of that. That’s not entertainment that I want to partake of.

Why I Keep Coming Back Anyway

And yet, World War II historical fiction—I know before I ever crack open the cover of one of these books that there are going to be parts in this story that are going to tear my heart out and smash it into a million pieces. And I’m not going to like that.

But as I’ve thought about this whole dichotomy in my life—why do I keep coming back to this genre? The best thing that I can come up with is because of the resilience of the human spirit that emerges in the face of these really challenging circumstances.

And the way people step up and have courage in the face of nearly impossible odds, and goodness transcends even the darkest of circumstances. That is so inspiring to me that I’m willing to put up with a few tears.

Imagining Myself in Their Story

So I keep coming back. But oftentimes when I’m involved in one of these stories, I put myself in the story. Their story becomes my story.

And so I think, what would it have been like for me to be living in these times? Maybe raising children in these times where the whole world is at war and millions of people are dying, and every family is touched in a really personal way by the tragedy and hardship of war.

And there are great, unprecedented moral questions like, what will happen if I stand up for what I believe and I help a neighbor or a friend, and that could very well cost me my life?

Grateful for My Life Today

These were some of the real struggles that real people were wrestling with during that time. And when I put that side by side with what my life is like today, I will choose my life every time, because I feel like in comparison I have it better in so many ways.

I was not cut out for war. I cannot handle tears, you guys.

A Different Kind of War Today

But the reality is that we are living in a time of war today. It might look different. The battles might be different than they were back in World War II and the physical battles that happened then.

Although there are physical battles happening at different places in the world today, the kind of battles that I’m talking about are battles of words and ideas and confusion and chaos that are pulling even the very elect away from the light of Jesus Christ.

And they might be different, but these kinds of battles are no less dangerous.

The Fear Parents Feel Today

And what makes it even more scary, at least for me, is that a lot of these ideas that are causing so much confusion are directed toward children. And that, as a parent, can be terrifying.

Those of us who are raising kids today feel the weight of that.

But the reality is that the Lord has called each one of us. If we are here today, if we are an adult today, whether or not we are currently raising children, he has called us to help guide and bear and rear and lead a chosen generation of youth who were born into a world that is corrupted every whit.

A Foreordained Generation

President Russell M. Nelson said our youth were “foreordained by God to do a remarkable work to help prepare the people of this world for the Second Coming of the Lord and are among the best the Lord has ever sent to this world.”

We have often heard our prophet say similar things about the young people who are growing up today. And prophets before him, for generations, have been saying similar things about the youth of their day.

The Honest Reality of Raising Kids

And I will be honest, sometimes I hear something like this and I wonder if the Lord sees the same kids that I do. (The ones who maybe forget to brush their teeth sometimes, even though their dad, in this case, happens to be a dentist.)

Or the kids who seem incapable of speaking above a mumble or answering a question with more than a barely audible grunt.

Sometimes I’m tempted to look heavenward, throw my hands in the air, and say, “Did this one slip through the heavenly cracks? Because I’m pretty sure she belongs on the remedial squad, and I can do nothing for her. So please fix her, Jesus.”

Maybe you can relate. If we’re raising children today, I think we can all relate to that.

Our Role in Their Divine Mission

But if we believe that our prophet speaks for God and our youth were indeed foreordained by God himself to help prepare the people of this world for the Second Coming of his Son, then what does that tell us about how God feels about you and me, and this generation of parents and leaders and adults, who must prepare them for that great work?

Because they are here to do a great thing according to this prophet. We are here to do a great thing, because they will not be able to do their great work unless we do ours first.

It is our job to prepare them.

Chosen for This Time

And the Lord knows exactly what we are up against. He’s not blind to the challenges of our day. Nothing that is happening in the world now or that will happen in the future is or will be a surprise for him.

And yet, he handpicked each one of us to come to earth in this time of great spiritual turmoil and to raise his elite set of latter-day warriors.

And that says something about his trust in us.

The Lord Trusts Us and Our Children

God Trusts Us with This Work

He trusts us a lot, and he knows us personally. And I know that feels daunting—this is a big work we have to do and I don’t really know how to do it.

But I hope it also feels empowering that the Lord does believe in us.

But let’s just lay all our cards out on the table right here, because I bet there are some of you out there thinking things like I have thought in the past:

“Okay, the Lord’s trusting me to do this really great, important thing so that my kids can do this really great and important thing, but maybe they are making choices that are not in line with that great and important thing.”

When We Feel Like We’re Failing

“And if I can’t teach them well enough for them to do their great work, then I am failing. I’m failing my kids. I am failing the Lord. I’m just a hot mess, and I don’t know what I’m going to do about that.”

If you have felt this, you are in really good company. I think we have probably all felt this at some time.

But I find comfort in knowing that faithful parents have been in this same boat since the dawn of time. Since Adam and Eve.

Agency Has Always Been Part of the Plan

Think back—Adam and Eve, first mortal parents on the earth, walked and talked face to face with God. One of their children killed his brother.

If we don’t have children who are physically killing each other, we are winning. We’re doing all right.

But I have no doubt that Adam and Eve did their best to teach their children about covenants and commandments and God. And still, they used their agency—some of them—to walk far away from them and from God.

Why Agency Matters So Much

The same thing might happen for you and for me, because agency is real.

It is so important to the Lord’s plan that there was a war in heaven fought over it. Lucifer was cast down because he sought to destroy the agency of man. That is one of the big reasons why he was cast down.

So when our kids use that agency to do things that are not in line with what we have taught them, we can find comfort again in knowing that God knew this is how it was going to be.

God Understands Wayward Children

If anyone knows what it is like for children to walk away from them, it is our Heavenly Father, because a third of his children didn’t even make it to earth.

They chose not to follow him even in the days before. And how many children since coming to earth have been in that same boat?

He knows we can’t control our kids’ agency any more than we can control the weather. We don’t have control over that.

“Let Not Your Hearts Be Troubled”

He did not give us control over that for a good purpose, because agency is critical to his plan.

Yet he still says: “Let not your hearts be troubled, neither let them be afraid.”

That brings me comfort, because when I hear those words in regard to this big important task of raising and preparing children, what I hear is: “Hey, Lynette.”

“You Cannot Save Your Children, But I Can”

Because sometimes that’s how the Lord sounds in my mind. It’s not formal. It’s,

“Hey, you listen up. Hey, Lynette. You cannot save your children, but I can.

So do the very best that you can. Teach them about me. Teach them how to find me. Teach them how to develop a relationship with me.

Do your best with your work. And then trust that my grace is sufficient to cover you—to cover all of the mistakes that you make as a parent, to cover your children and all of the mistakes that they will make on their way back to me, to cover all of the things that you do not now understand or that don’t seem to make sense for you.”

Trusting in His Grace

“My grace is sufficient. So trust me to do my work.”

To me, that brings great peace, because I know that I’m not doing this work alone.

He’s on my team, and he’s reaching out to my kids in ways that I cannot. So I can trust him with that.

What We Can Still Do as Parents

But just because we can’t guarantee any outcomes of how our kids will turn out in the end, and whether or not they will choose God, that does not mean we should throw up our hands and say, “Well, they’re going to do what they’re going to do, so I guess I just won’t try.”

That’s not going to get any of us anywhere.

And there is a lot we can do.

Finding a Blueprint for Raising Children

So we’re going to talk about what we can do to prepare our kids in the best way that we know how to do the great work that God is counting on them to do.

Now, what I have learned about this—as I have thought about it and studied about it and prayed about it as I’ve raised my five kids. (I just have one 16-year-old left at home—so we’ve spent a lot of time on our knees praying about these children.)

And not until relatively recently did I find what I believe is a blueprint that we can follow as parents as we’re trying to raise righteous children.

A Blueprint Worth Sharing

This would have been helpful information 25 years ago, but hey, I’m sharing it with you so hopefully you can take it and run with it.

A Blueprint for Parents

This blueprint I discovered was from a group of women who all went from lives of sin to lives of covenants and commandments and faith.

And once they were converted unto the Lord, not a single one of them ever fell away. That is how converted they were.

And not only that, but they were able to raise a generation of young people—their children—who were strong and firm and courageous and undaunted and perfectly obedient in the face of really challenging circumstances.

Who Were These Women?

Now, who were these women and what can we learn from them about raising modern children today? You might recognize them from this verse:

“They had been taught by their mothers that if they did not doubt, God would deliver them. And they rehearsed the words of their mothers, saying, ‘We do not doubt our mothers knew it.’”

You probably recognize this if you’ve been in the Church for any period of time—that this scripture comes from the story of the stripling warriors.

Why Did Mormon Include This Detail?

And we all know this story. We’ve read it a million times. We’ve taught it a million times. And we all know what happens.

But have you ever thought about why Mormon, when he was compiling the plates and abridging and leaving some things in and taking others out and adding his commentary here and there—why did he choose to include this little detail about their mothers?

I cannot speak for Mormon, but I know that he saw our day.

A Message for Parents Today

He told us that he saw the widespread wickedness and commotion that would be happening in our day.

And I like to think that he also saw faithful parents like me and you doing our best to raise faithful children and struggling to know how to do that.

And I wonder if he thought, Well, maybe if I include this little detail about their mothers, that might pique their interest and make them think: How did these women do it?

The Faith of the Stripling Mothers

Because these mothers of these stripling warriors—or as I like to call them, stripling mothers—were somehow able to raise their children to walk off to war at a moment’s notice, with no prior experience, even though they were all very young.

And they did so with courage and faith and hope in God.

Some experts believe these boys could have been as young as 12 to 15 years old.

Can You Imagine It Today?

So imagine with me, if you will, modern-day deacons, teachers, maybe some really young priests—2,000 of them—marching off to war with courage and faith, singing the praises of their mothers.

Can you picture it? Because I have a 16-year-old and I can’t.

It’s a little bit hard to imagine. But these women were somehow able to do it.

Looking for Clues in the Scriptures

So who were they? What do we know about them?

Now, there’s a lot that we do not know about them.

But a friend recently taught me that success leaves clues.

Putting on Our Detective Hat

And so, for the next few minutes, I invite you to put on your detective hat with me and we’re going to look for clues in the scriptures about these women—about these mothers—about how they were able to do the things that they did in preparing their kids.

So let’s talk about some of the things that we know.

A Past Marked by Sin and Conversion

We know that these were Lamanite women who were converted by the missionary efforts of Ammon and the sons of Mosiah.

And prior to their conversion, they were in the darkest abyss and the most lost of all mankind because of the traditions of their wicked fathers and the many sins and murders they committed.

So they had a past. They had a colorful past.

Leaving the Past Behind Completely

And after their conversion, they left that sinful past behind, completely removed themselves physically from it. They changed their names. They didn’t want to be known as Lamanites anymore. That brought a lot of baggage that they didn’t want to carry.

So they changed their names to Anti-Nephi-Lehies. Now, that’s kind of a mouthful. So sometimes I call them the Ammonites or the people of Ammon.

And I may use those three terms interchangeably here today.

Burying Their Weapons at the Moment of Crisis

We know that they buried their weapons of rebellion, and they covenanted never to dig them up again lest they lose their souls.

Again, this is one of those iconic stories. We know about them burying their weapons.

But I didn’t know, until I really went back and studied the timeline and the context of this decision, that they made that choice when war was upon them.

Choosing Faith When War Was Imminent

This was not an arbitrary decision because they had already decided that they didn’t want to fight anymore.

But they had heard that some of their old friends—the Lamanites who didn’t convert with them—weren’t happy with these new converts.

And so, rather than accepting their former friends’ decision, they decided that they were going to destroy them.

A Defining Moment of Commitment

And so they were making preparations to come to war against these Ammonite converts.

That is when they had to decide: We already said we weren’t going to fight, but are we really going to stick with that? Are we really going to do it?

And so the king called everyone together into this big meeting, and he gave a rousing speech where he thanked God for allowing them to repent of their many sins and murders, for taking away their guilt, and helping them to feel light and peace and turn their lives around.

A Covenant of Complete Transformation

And then he pled with everyone in attendance that day to keep their swords bright by burying them as a testimony to the Lord that they would never again shed blood.

And with that testimony, they would make a three-part covenant: that they would die before they killed anyone else, that they would give rather than take, and that they would labor abundantly with their hands rather than spend their days in idleness.

No killing, no stealing, no idleness.

Guarding Against Returning to Old Ways

These three things must have been the three things that they were most worried about going back to.

Maybe they were even as much as addictions—that if they had a little bit, they might totally turn back.

And they didn’t want any part of that.

Faith in the Face of Death

So everyone there that day—all these Ammonite converts—made this covenant.

They buried their weapons deep in the earth. And they did so with war knocking on their doorstep.

An Unimaginable Sacrifice

Pretty soon the Lamanites did come upon them in battle.

All these Ammonite men marched onto the battlefield, unarmed, and laid down upon the ground and prayed to God and praised God, while their former friends killed 1,005 of them with no resistance.

This courageous demonstration of faith inspired some of these Lamanites to throw down their weapons and join them on the ground.

A Legacy of Faithfulness

And they became, from that point forward, part of this group that was forever faithful.

And this was eleven years prior to Helaman’s march with his stripling warriors.

So the men who were on the battlefield that day—these were the fathers, the grandfathers, perhaps some of the older brothers of the stripling warriors.

The Mothers Who Carried On

And those women— their mothers– they probably weren’t in battle that day. But they were there to pick up the pieces.

They had to decide what they were going to do from that point forward.

Did they go back and dig up those weapons and say, “We didn’t realize how much this covenant would cost us. I think maybe we can defend ourselves. Is that okay?”

Choosing Faith Over Fear

They didn’t do that. They turned their faces to the future and they marched forward with faith.

And they were, from that point forward, forever faithful.

What the Children Learned

They didn’t question God.

They believed in his ability to deliver them, even if they had to sacrifice everything in the process.

Now, what do you think these future stripling warriors, who were children at that time, learned about faith from their parents from this one scenario alone?

The Power of Their Example

They knew that their fathers were martyrs—that they gave up everything for their faith.

And they knew that their mothers were forever faithful after that—that they did not question their faith, that they picked things up and moved forward.

And not only that, but remember these more than 1,005 Lamanites—we don’t have an exact number—who joined them that day after participating in the slaughter of their loved ones, they joined them.

Radical Forgiveness and Faith

And these Ammonite women welcomed them, along with any men who were left.

I don’t know how many there were in total. But they welcomed these repentant sinners into their midst.

  • even though they had participated in the murders of their husbands,
  • their sons,
  • their brothers.

Compassion as a Mark of True Discipleship

And I think about that in the context of this quote from President Nelson: “One of the easiest ways to identify a true follower of Jesus Christ is how compassionately that person treats other people.”

So what did these stripling warriors learn about being a true follower of Jesus Christ by watching how their mothers treated these people who participated in this horrible act?

They had a past too, though, remember, because they also had sins and murders on their conscience.

Understanding Through Shared Experience

And they knew what it was like to repent and change their lives.

And they told these Lamanites who joined them that day: You are welcome here. We will welcome you in.

And they treated them with compassion.

Continuing the Search for Clues

So what else do we know? What else do we know about these Ammonite women?

What We Know About These Women

  • We know that they were perfectly honest and upright in all things. Those are some pretty strong descriptors.
  • We know that they were obedient to the law of Moses. Even though they did not suppose that salvation came by the law of Moses, they kept the law because it strengthened their faith in Christ.

So they were obedient. They were honest. They were upright.

Teaching Exact Obedience

This concept of obedience shows up again later when Helaman’s young army—Helaman observed that they “observed to keep God’s statutes and his judgments and his commandments continually.”

So they were obedient to God, these young warriors.

And in battle, they did obey and observe every word of command with exactness.

Helaman Credits Their Mothers

It is also interesting to note that right after Helaman praises their obedience, he says this: “And I did remember the words which they said unto me—that their mothers had taught them.”

So who did Helaman credit for the perfect obedience of these young warriors? Their mothers.

I invite you to imagine an alternate scenario for just a minute.

What If They Had Not Been Obedient?

Imagine that Helaman took command of these 2,000 young men. It’s not like he was a military commander before that—he was a prophet.

He was out preaching the word, and they wanted him to be their leader. And so he agreed to be their leader—of these 2,000, again, deacons, teachers, priests who had no prior experience.

And it was his responsibility to make sure that they were as safe as possible.

The Potential for Chaos

He was leading them into battle. So there were some risks, and they knew that.

I imagine that Helaman felt a little overwhelmed. I think I would have in that instance.

But what if these young men had decided, “Well, I am just going to do whatever I want because I don’t need Helaman telling me what to do. He’s not the boss of me. I can do whatever I want”?

Obedience vs. Destruction

It’s not hard to imagine the scene of chaos and carnage and likely bloodshed that would have ensued had these young men decided to be stubborn instead of obedient and compliant.

And in looking back with the lens of history, and the words that Mormon has given us about them, it’s clear that their obedience is what saved them—their obedience to Helaman’s every word of command and their obedience to God, who then stepped in and orchestrated this miracle.

Saved Through Obedience

So it’s not hard for me to connect those dots and say they were saved because of their obedience, right?

That’s how they were able to successfully get through those battles—not without wounds, but without death.

Raising Latter-day Spiritual Warriors

And I think about that in the context of what we’re trying to do today, in raising latter-day spiritual warriors in a culture where obedience is not really glorified at all.

Right? It’s like my personal authority is king over everything else, and I can do what I want, and I can discover my own truth, and this is what is prized in society.

But we’re trying to raise children who can be obedient.

Why Obedience Matters

Because if we want latter-day spiritual warriors, is it hard to connect the dots to say, “Well, Helaman’s army was saved because of their obedience. Will our kids be saved in the battles for their faith because of their obedience?”

I don’t think it’s hard to make that connection, for me.

If we want our kids to be saved spiritually, they have to learn to be obedient, because obedience is the first law of heaven.

Where Obedience Is Learned

But kids learn obedience at home.

And so if we’re not emphasizing that, if they don’t learn to be obedient to us as their parents, they’re likely going to struggle to be obedient to prophets, to be obedient to commandments and covenants, and to God.

Again, obedience is the first law of heaven.

Preparing Children for What’s Ahead

So that’s something to think about as you’re preparing your kids for what’s coming.

Obedience is a vital piece of that.

Our Personal Conversion

As I have thought about all that I have learned from these incredible women—which I don’t even have time today to scratch the surface, there’s so much—I invite you to go home and study the story on your own and try to find those pieces that are relevant to your life.

But what I have learned, I think, that transcends everything, is that if we want to raise modern-day spiritual warriors, we first have to be converted.

Because our personal conversion is going to be our kids’ first line of defense in the latter-day battles for their faith.

The First Line of Defense

It’s not going to be their only line of defense, but it’s going to be their first line of defense.

Because who do they learn about conversion from? Who do they learn what faith looks like in action from?

They’re first going to learn that at home.

What Do Our Children See in Us?

Like these Ammonite women, who never gave their kids a reason to doubt where their loyalties lay, I think we have to think about that in our own homes.

Do our kids know what we believe? Do they know because of what we say?

Do they know because of what we do? Do they know because those things are congruent?

What Are We Teaching Through Our Example?

How do they know? What do they learn from us about conversion?

I love these words from Elder Jeffrey R. Holland:

“Our children take their flight into the future with our thrust and with our aim. And even as we anxiously watch that arrow in flight and know all the evils that can deflect its course after it has left our hand, nevertheless, we take courage in remembering that the most important mortal factor in determining that arrow’s destination will be the stability, strength, and unwavering certainty of the holder of the bow.”

As latter-day parents and leaders and grandparents in Zion, we are the holders of the bow for the rising generation. The significance and importance of our work cannot be understated.

Doubt

And because of that, I want to go back to the stripling mothers and their parting counsel to their sons as they were going off to battle.

This is the counsel: If you do not doubt, God will deliver you.

I think about that in the context of this is the last thing their mothers had taught them.

Faith That Withstands Battle

And this is the counsel that gave them courage to walk into battle when they were so young, and to believe that God would deliver them if they did not doubt.

Because their mothers had never given them any reason to doubt that they knew what they were talking about.

And so in today’s world, I think a lot about doubt.

A Culture That Elevates Doubt

It’s kind of on the forefront of a lot of the work that I do on social media and online.

It almost feels like doubt is elevated above faith in importance or significance, like a badge of honor.

If you’re doubting your faith, it’s like this gateway to personal authority and freedom.

Navigating Faith in a Doubting World

And it’s hard to navigate that world and hold on to your faith without falling into that pit of doubt.

So how can we do that? That’s a big thing we’re trying to do.

Many years ago—like 20 years ago—I came to a crossroads in my faith that I was not expecting, that I didn’t know how to navigate.

A Personal Crisis of Faith

It threw me for a major loop.

I was in my young 20s at this point.

Prior to this, I had always just believed.

A Sudden Shift in Perspective

I had had experiences that reinforced that belief and that testimony, and I never had any reason to doubt that all the things I had been taught by my parents and at church were true and real and good.

When my husband graduated from BYU, we moved our two young kids across the country to Ohio.

Prior to that point, I grew up mostly in Gilbert, Arizona, which is like “mini Utah.”

Culture Shock and New Questions

Then I went to BYU, which is a culture in and of itself.

And then I moved to Ohio, where a lot of the people that I interacted with hadn’t even heard of our Church.

And if they had, they had some interesting misconceptions about what we believed or how we lived our lives.

A New Religious Perspective

They lived their lives very differently than I did.

So it was – almost–culture shock for me.

It threw me for a major loop that I was not expecting.

Encounters That Challenged Belief

Shortly thereafter, my husband was called to serve as the ward mission leader in our ward.

And so we often had missionaries in our home, and they would bring their investigators—or as they call them now, their friends.

They would bring their friends over, and we would have missionary lessons in our home.

A Moment That Changed Everything

There was this one time where they were teaching a Muslim man.

He was not interested in joining the Church, but he was curious enough to listen to the lessons and to see what it is that we believed.

During one of these lessons, he was talking about his belief of Jesus Christ—what he believed as a Muslim.

Questioning What I Knew

He believed that Jesus was a good man and a prophet, but not the Son of God, not the Savior of the world.

And as this young twenty-something, I listened to him talk about his view of Jesus Christ.

It hit me, maybe for the first time, that I was part of this tiny religious minority.

The Weight of Doubt

Who was I to claim that I had the truth?

There were so many people in the world that didn’t even believe in Jesus Christ, let alone in the Book of Mormon.

So how did I know that it was true? Who was I to say that?

Struggling Through Uncertainty

For months after that, I wrestled with some really difficult questions about my faith.

Where everything had once felt so clear, now everything was muddy.

I didn’t know what I believed.

Holding On While Feeling Lost

I questioned everything—down to the reality of Jesus Christ as my Savior. I couldn’t even claim that anymore.

And I didn’t really know how to navigate this.

Going Through the Motions

Thankfully, it was in the days before social media, because I think that would have complicated it a million times.

But I continued to go through the motions—to go to church, to say my prayers, to do the things.

But this cloud was heavy in the air.

A Quiet Answer

One night I was praying. I honestly don’t remember what I said—probably just praying for clarity, to know the truth.

And then I heard these simple words, with such clarity in my mind: You already know it’s true.

Remembering What I Already Knew

And with those words, peace rushed over me. It brought warmth to my heart and tears to my eyes.

I thought back to everything that I had experienced up to that point in my young life.

Faith Restored Through Memory

The ways that God had shown up for me and testified to me again and again that the gospel was true—that Joseph Smith was a prophet, and that, because Joseph Smith was a prophet, the Book of Mormon was the work of God and the word of God.

I had miraculous answers to prayers while studying the revelations found in the Doctrine and Covenants.

And as I thought back on all of those things in the context of all of this doubt that I was trying to navigate, it just became clear in a second.

God has testified to me all throughout my life that this Church is true.

When Doubt Replaces Faith

And I just forgot about that for a minute because doubts came up and just kind of took the place of all of that experience and that faith that I had had up to that point.

Trust God With What We Don’t Understand

And so I learned a lot. I learned a lot from that experience.

One of the things being that our questions, our doubts, the things that feel challenging to us right now, they do not throw a wrench in God’s plan.

They do invite us to trust him with all of the things that we do not understand.

Wanting to See the Whole Path

And as I’ve thought about this trust, this building of faith, I’m kind of a person who likes to know the end from the beginning.

I want to know how this path is going to end up before I ever take one step on it.

I want to see the whole path.

Learning How God Works

And that’s not how God usually works with me, unfortunately.

But I want to know all that God knows. I want to see all that God sees. And I’ve thought about that—can I do that? Can I know all that God knows?

Why We Don’t Know Everything

In thinking about that, and thinking about the reason why we’re here in mortality, I asked myself: what would it have been like if we already knew everything that God knows?

We could still have our agency to choose, but would we want to choose anything other than eternal life with our Father if we knew that that was the reward at the end of the path?

And it just kind of made it clear to me that agency, as we know it, would be different.

The Role of Opposition

It would eliminate all or most of the opposition that we face, because we’d already know everything.

It would already be clear.

In 2 Nephi, in Lehi’s beautiful discourse about the plan of salvation, we learn that without opposition, there could be no righteousness nor wickedness, holiness nor misery, good nor bad.

Why Opposition Is Essential

And without those opposites, “there would have been no purpose in the end of [our] creation,” which would effectively “destroy the wisdom of God and his eternal purposes.”

So without opposition, there would be no purpose to our creation.

And that would destroy the whole plan of God and his purpose.

God’s Purpose and Our Growth

His work and his glory is to save each one of us—to bring about the immortality and eternal life of man.

That is his whole goal, and everything that he does supports that singular goal.

And if that’s the case, then we can’t know all that he knows, because in order for him to save us, we have to experience opposition.

Why Faith Comes First

And that is where faith comes in.

And that’s perhaps why faith is the first principle of the gospel—because everything else hinges upon our ability to have faith.

But that doesn’t make it easy.

When Answers Don’t Come

That doesn’t mean that we’re going to be here in mortality, especially now, when there are huge questions that don’t seem to have good, clear answers.

And we pray for those answers.

And sometimes those answers don’t come, because maybe that’s just not something that God has revealed quite yet.

Choosing to Trust God

And so it invites us to trust him—to trust in his omniscience, and to trust that he’s got it all under control.

Because if his plan is to save me, then can I trust him with all the parts of that plan that I don’t now understand?

Because I have to learn to walk by faith.

A Personal Decision to Trust

For me, that answer has been yes. I can trust him. And I don’t know all the things and I don’t have all the answers.

And I imagine that I probably won’t in this life have all the answers or know all the things.

When We Face Our Own Questions

But I know that he does.

And that is enough for me.

But each one of us is going to come to some point in our lives where we have to wrestle with some of these big questions.

Different Struggles, Same Savior

Maybe it’s that we’re having a hard time aligning our personal experiences with the doctrine of the restored gospel of Jesus Christ.

Or maybe we’re having a hard time navigating a really challenging relationship with one of our kids, and we don’t know how that’s all going to work out.

For all of us, it’s going to be different.

The Only Way Forward

We’re all going to be asked to wrestle with different things. But the only way that we will be saved is through Jesus Christ.

He is the way, the truth, and the life.

Do You Trust God?

And so, I invite you to consider, as you’re wrestling with whatever it is that you’re wrestling: do you trust God?

Do you trust him enough to anchor yourself to him no matter how hard the wind blows, no matter how many people you know and love decide to walk away from the Church?

Will you anchor yourself to him?

Choosing to Believe

Will you choose to believe that he’s got it all under control?

That he’s going to cross every “t” and dot every “i” and make every person who turns to him whole?

That’s his goal.

Belief Is a Choice

Will you do that? Will you choose to believe?

Because belief is a choice.

This isn’t something that just happens or it doesn’t.

Teaching Our Children to Believe

We can choose to believe even if we don’t have all the answers.

Will you choose to believe that if you do not doubt, God will deliver you?

Will you choose to teach that to your kids with all the energy of your heart—that if they do not doubt, God will deliver them?

“We Do Not Doubt Our Mothers Knew It”

And if we do that, if we have that unwavering certainty, as Elder Holland said, then our kids will always be able to say:

  • no matter what happens,
  • no matter where they end up on the path,
  • no matter what choices they make, they will always be able to say:

We do not doubt our mothers knew it.

And I leave that with you in the name of Jesus Christ, Amen.

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Letter For My Wife Rebuttal, Part 1: Preface/Introduction

January 26, 2023 by Sarah Allen

In the wake of the CES Letter, several other similar “letters” began making the rounds online. None of them have the reach and influence of the CES Letter, but the distant second-most popular letter appears to be the Letter For My Wife by Thomas Faulk. Because of its second-place status, there are virtually no rebuttals to it. The only one I’ve been able to find is the one at FAIR.

This particular letter is favored by two groups. The first is the group who were themselves turned off by the hostility of the CES Letter. They wanted something similar but much more neutral in tone to help explain their faith struggles with their loved ones. That’s a position I can fully respect. The second group, however, is the group who discovers that many believers are put off by the CES Letter’s tone. They prefer something more neutral in order to rope their loved ones into reading it so they start questioning their own testimonies. I don’t have any respect for this position. It’s manipulative, and that’s gross to do to someone you claim to love. [Read more…] about Letter For My Wife Rebuttal, Part 1: Preface/Introduction

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The Enlightenment of Neo-Mormons

June 11, 2017 by Mike Ash

In Greek, the word neos means “new.” In English, the prefix “neo” generally refers to something that is new, revived, or newly refreshed. We have compounds such as neo-classic, neo-Darwinism, neo-Nazis, neo-Hellenism, neo-Platonism, neo-orthodox Mormons, and more.

While Neo-Mormons might refer to Mormons who take a new or modified approach to Mormon matters, for the purpose of this post Neo-Mormons refer to those who compare their exit from Mormonism to the character in the fictional movie, The Matrix.

For those who haven’t seen the movie, Keanu Reeves plays the character of Thomas Anderson, a computer programmer and infamous hacker known as “Neo” (the name by which he is known throughout the movie). Morpheus, another infamous hacker (who is almost as much myth as legend), contacts Neo to warn him that his life in danger.

After meeting face to face, Morpheus explains that the world in which Neo lives is not “real” but offers Neo the opportunity to transition to the real world. Neo can either swallow a red pill which will extract him from the “Matrix” (the computer-generated world in which he lives) or he can choose to swallow the blue pill which will cause Neo to wake up in his bed at home, forgetting the entire conversation and everything about the Matrix. If he takes the red pill, he could never go back to the way things were. If he takes the blue pill, he could be happily ignorant to reality. Neo takes the red pill, wakes up in the “real” world and discovers that the Matrix was a world of little more than digital smoke and mirrors.

Neo’s red pill vs. blue pill dilemma has frequently been commandeered by former Mormons in their attempt to explain their new perspective of reality once they left Mormonism. According to several ex-Mormons, they, like Neo, were confronted at some point with information that caused (or even forced) them to choose between the red pill and blue pill. In every case in which I’ve seen the analogy used, the former (or teetering) member took the red pill. They became “enlightened,” and discovered the “truth,” or “reality” of Mormonism.

This new enlightenment allowed them, like Neo, to see (sometimes for the first time) truth with eyes wide open. That truth, they claim, destroyed the untruths found in Mormonism and exposed it as a man-made institution sitting on a continuum somewhere between an evil enterprise and a well-meaning assembly of honorable but gullible dupes.

While I understand that there is no such thing as a perfect analogy, I think the Neo Mormon/Matrix analogy falls flat. First, the red pill vs blue pill analogy implies that ex-Mormons are not only open to the truth but can see the truth, while believing Mormons stick their heads in the sand (taking the blue pill) and don’t want to see the new information that comes with taking the red pill.

The fact is, however, that myriad of LDS scholars, lay members, and believing students of Mormonism, are equally as informed about the supposedly troubling Mormon information. Despite seeing this same information they still accept the prophetic calling of Joseph Smith and the continuation of modern prophets today. There’s no hiding of heads in the sand, no rejecting the red pill because they don’t want to see allegedly challenging issues. The eyes of informed Latter-day Saints are at least as wide open to all the same information as any critic.

Secondly, the new information doesn’t automatically destroy basic Mormon beliefs. Taking the red pill does not automatically prove that Mormonism is false. While some people may find the critics’ interpretations of the data to be convincing, such interpretations are not the automatic definitive conclusions to understanding the data. To insist that there is only one way to interpret the data is naïve and sophomoric. There are no slam dunks proving nor debunking Mormonism. There is only evidence, and evidence must be weighed.

Thirdly, everyone assumes they are “right.” We have reasons for our beliefs. Those reasons may not be transferrable; they may not, for example, convince others, even when they make sense to us. The fact is—and a growing number of studies bear this out—intellect alone does not impel humans to believe or disbelieve. In other words, despite the ridicule by some critics who claim that believers rely on “feelings” while they (the critics) rely on reason, the simple fact is that all people’s beliefs are influenced, at least to some degree, by “feelings.” No human is a purely rational creature.

Differences in religious opinions and beliefs are not anything like what we might imagine with a fictional Neo-Mormon who takes the red pill and a believing Mormon who takes the blue pill. Instead, the differences are much more akin to what we find among people who embrace divergent political views. If you are a staunch Democrat it doesn’t mean that you’ve taken the red pill—that your eyes are wide open—and that Republicans have swallowed the blue pill. If you are a staunch Republican, you are not seeing reality while your Democrat friends hide their heads in the sand. Some members of each party may like to think that’s the case, but it isn’t.

Lastly, we run into the problem of changing minds. Just as some Democrats become Republicans and some Republicans become Democrats, some members go through periods of disbelief, doubt, and possibly even separation from Mormonism. I have a couple of friends who have been married to the same spouse several times. They get divorced, then remarried, more than once—each time to the same person. Some members or former members seem to have a similar relationship with the Church. They are members (perhaps from birth), then leave the church over “troubling” issues, then return because of spiritual or intellectual resolution, then leave again over spiritual or intellectual quandaries, and so forth.

In which phase of their change can they claim to be the surest of their beliefs? Obviously, it would be the most current phase. They can look back and tell themselves that in their earlier phase they were duped, but this time they got it right. The problem is, however, that we all tell ourselves this same story (it’s a form of confirmation bias). Studies show that our memories of the past are influenced by our present selves—in other words, we can’t accurately remember how we felt about our past situation because we can’t escape our current situation.

As I’ve matured in life, wisdom, and Gospel understanding, I’ve had to modify paradigms many times—rejecting those things that I’ve found to be weak, and embracing those things which I’ve found to be strong. It would be foolish of me to think that I’ve reach a zenith—that I’ve reached a point where I’m right about everything I reject, and never wrong about everything I accept. I’m among those who has seen all the details supposedly hidden in the Matrix. I’ve seen the same data which allegedly is revealed to those Neo-Mormons who swallow the red pill. And yet, I believe.

For me, the same data that causes some members to falter simply illuminates the world I already knew. I absolutely had to modify my worldview by absorbing new facts, rejecting common myths, and by recontextualizing some of the things which didn’t seem to fit my previous world-view (which, by the way, is the same modification process we find in the evolution and revolution of scientific paradigms). From my current perspective, however, I find that most of the data fits comfortably within a framework that I embraced.

While I like to think that my eyes are opened wider with every new bit of data, I’ve found that new discoveries haven’t forced (or enticed) me into rejecting Mormonism as a mirage, a fabrication, or a Matrix of human creation. And just because someone else comes to a different conclusion than my own (based on the same data) doesn’t mean that they are more correct, that they’ve swallowed the red pill while I swallowed the blue pill, hid my head in the sand, and simply ignored conflicting information.

From a Matrix analogy, I don’t think that there are any real Neo-Mormons. There are no red pills and blue pills which ultimately expose or conceal the truth. As both science and religion tells us, we are all related and part of something greater than our individual selves. All humans are very similar—including the fact that we are faced with similar cognitive, physical, psychological, and emotional challenges and strengths— and we are also all unique in interesting and complex ways.

This, to me, is what makes God’s plan—as expressed in the LDS faith—so appealing. It’s impossible for you to fully know me, or me to fully know you. We can’t escape our own heads, or our physiological influences or impediments. We can never fully know when we are the ones who are doing the “acting” or when we are being “acted upon” (2 Ne. 2:14).

We are told not to judge others (outside of specific instances involving ecclesiastical or legislative authority) because we are not only weak ourselves and influenced by too many factors to be good judges, but because we cannot know all the factors involved in someone else’s choices. Only God knows. He knows why we do the things we do, say the things we say, and make the choices we make.

While some of those who have left Mormonism (or who consider leaving Mormonism) believe that they can see reality, the truth is that their eyesight is no better than that of believers. Their logic and reasoning is no better than that of believers. And they certainly are no more open to the “truth” because they decided to reject Mormonism, than those who accept Mormonism. Swallowing the red pill simply means that you consciously chose to reject Mormonism because of how you interpret the data. Swallowing the blue pill means that you consciously chose to accept Mormonism because of how you interpret the data.

If there is an analogy to be made with the movie The Matrix it is this: If we believe that a rejection of Mormonism automatically comes with seeing the ambiguities in Mormon history or the scriptures—that the data automatically compels the intellectually honest to reject the LDS faith and that the data cannot be honestly accepted as consistent with LDS faith claims—then we are believing in an illusion and we are still trapped in the Matrix.

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Michael R. Ash is the author of: Of Faith and Reason: 80 Evidences Supporting The Prophet Joseph Smith. He is the owner and operator of MormonFortress.com and is on the management team for FairMormon. He has been published in Sunstone, Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought, the Maxwell Institute’s FARMS Review, and is the author of Shaken Faith Syndrome: Strengthening One’s Testimony in the Face of Criticism and Doubt. He and his wife live in Ogden, Utah, and have three daughters.

Filed Under: Apologetics, Michael R. Ash, Uncategorized Tagged With: anti-Mormonism, apologetics, Faith and Reason, Faith Crisis, Michael R. Ash, the Marix

The Purpose and Mission of FairMormon

December 10, 2015 by FAIR Staff

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LynchDo FairMormon volunteers lack empathy? Where does the organization get its money, and who is really pulling the strings behind FairMormon? Julianne Dehlin Hatton proposes these and other questions to Chairman of the Board John Lynch on the Mormon FAIR-Cast.

Lynch is a Silicon Valley executive and convert to the church, who has served as Elders Quorum President, Ward Mission Leader, Stake Mission President and Young Men’s President. He is currently a counselor to the Bishop of his congregation. Hatton is a media personality and event manager from Kentucky. She has been a News Director at an NPR affiliate, Broadcast Journalist, and Airborne Traffic Reporter.

Music for this edition of the Mormon FAIR-Cast is provided by Arthur Hatton.

Filed Under: Apologetics, Fair Mormon Front Page News Review, Julianne Dehlin Hatton, Podcast Tagged With: apologetics, FairMormon, Faith Crisis, Julianne Dehlin Hatton, Podcast

Articles of Faith Podcast: In The Gospel, Faith Must Come First – Interview with Taylor Halverson

March 23, 2015 by NickGalieti

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taylor-halverson-60Bio: Dr. Taylor Halverson received a B.A. from Brigham Young University in Ancient Near Eastern Studies in 1997, an M.A. in Biblical Studies from Yale University in 2001 and an M.S. in Instructional Technology from Indiana University in 2004. He completed Ph.D.s in Instructional Technology and Judaism & Christianity in Antiquity—both from Indiana University in 2006.

Dr. Halverson currently works at BYU full-time at the Center for Teaching and Learning. He is also the founder and co-chair of the Creativity, Innovation, and Design group, acting associate director of the Rollins Center for Entrepreneurship and Technology, and has taught a variety of courses at BYU including: “Old Testament,” “Book of Mormon,” “History of Creativity,” “Innovation Lab: The Design Thinking Experience,” and “Illuminating the Scriptures: Designing Innovative Scripture Study Tools.” Dr. Halverson is a contributor to the popular LDS Bible Videos project and the LDS Scripture Citation Index site and a columnist for the Deseret News. He and his wife Lisa lead travel tours to Israel, the Mediterranean, and Mesoamerica.

Questions addressed in the interview:

In preparation for this interview I went to TaylorHalverson.com, and in reading over the many things you are involved in, various chair positions at BYU, a tour guide for LDS themed travel, writer of multiple text books, articles for various publications and media outlets, this may seem like a judgmental question, and it is not meant to be, but where do you find to study the scriptures, and give time to your own personal faith development?

You are multi-lingual, Spanish, Biblical Hebrew, Greek, and a slew of others considered secondary languages. How has learning and knowing multiple languages changed your approach to learning the scriptures?

The article you wrote for the Deseret News, addresses a challenge or at least a shift in approach that we have seen with the world at large, and that is an evidence first approach. Disbelieve until proven logically true. At first, it seems like this is a prudent approach, but you call it difficult if not outright outlandish. Could you expound on that conclusion?

This relates to an exchange you had while attending Yale as follows:

Yale student: Where is the original Book of Mormon today? Where are the gold plates?

Taylor: They are gone.

Yale student: What do you mean that the original plates are gone?

Taylor: When Joseph Smith completed the translation of the gold plates into the Book of Mormon, he returned the plates to the angel Moroni. So we no longer have access to them. All that remains is Joseph Smith’s translation of the plates.

Yale student: I mean no disrespect, but this sounds both incredible and convenient for the story of the Book of Mormon. (Remember that the word “incredible” means unbelievable.) We have no way of source checking Joseph Smith’s story because the plates he claims to have worked with are no longer available. How can anyone even believe Joseph Smith or the Book of Mormon?

Taylor: Great questions. I have several questions for you.

Yale student: Sure.

Taylor: Are you a Christian?

Yale student: Yes.

Taylor: Do you believe in the bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ?

Yale student: Of course. That is the fundamental foundation of Christianity! Without the belief in the bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ there is nothing for Christianity.

Taylor: OK, then show me Jesus’ body.

Yale student: (Pausing to think with dawning comprehension) Oh, I see.

Taylor: What is more implausible: That someone claims to have translated a book and now the original book is missing, or that a physically dead body is now alive again? Just as Christians throughout the centuries have exercised faith in the claim that Jesus Christ died and rose again, so too members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints exercise faith in that original claim as well as in the claim that God has brought forth additional scriptural witnesses, such as the Book of Mormon, for the life and mission of Jesus Christ

Sometimes people find themselves in a faith crisis, not simply a position of unknowing something, but that they feel they know something that has caused some cognitive dissonance. How does faith apply to someone in this intellectually conflicted position?

The article title asserts that faith must come first, that it is a matter of approaching spiritual matters with faith first. What tends to be the end result if faith comes second, or third or somewhere down the line?

This idea that we wait to act till we have knowledge is the opposite of what you inject at the end of your article, “As we act in faith, our knowledge increases and our views enlarge.” What sorts of things can we ONLY learn through faith as opposed to traditional empirical learning models?

Taylor Halverson is the author of the article In the Gospel, Faith Must Come First published by the Deseret News.

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RiseUp Podcast: Helping People in Faith Crisis

December 3, 2014 by NickGalieti

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Faith Crisis is a term describing a period of time or event where someone has serious doubts about their belief’s. You may have even experienced a faith crisis yourself. But how are we to approach those who are experiencing or have experienced this “faith crisis?” We have a few ideas….

There is a website called Millennial Mormon’s. It is a blog site that posts some decent articles but does so from a perspective and understanding shared by the rising generation, those of you who are in seminary or institute programs. The tag line of the site is “your grandpa’s gospel, now with #hashtags.

On that site was posted an article by Tanner Gilliland on November 4th, 2014. The article is entitled, “4 “DO NOTs” for Treating People in a Faith Crisis.” I actually found the article to be a pretty good opening reference that addresses some of the things that we may find ourselves doing or thinking with respect to people that experience a faith crisis. While I don’t agree with all the assertions they are minor and I trust that you will be smart enough and in tune enough to take in the correct spirit of the article, and not haggle over a couple of words.

4 “DO NOTs” for Treating People in a Faith Crisis

BY TANNER GILLILAND · NOVEMBER 4, 2014

With more and more information becoming available on the internet, more and more people are asking important questions about the church and its history. Sometimes these questions lead to serious doubts. Many of these doubts and concerns are not easily solved and require much prayerful effort, patience, and study.

Some people feel that they can’t find adequate answers to their questions so they leave the church. This usually is not an easy decision for them. Some lose friends or family, and others even lose their employment.

It is imperative that faithful members of the church, particularly millennials, learn how to appropriately interact with those who wrestle with doubt. To that end, I have created this list of things NOT to do when someone you know raises serious questions about religion:

1) Do NOT assume they are sinning

While sin is certainly darkens our minds, it is not always the cause of doubt. We must eliminate the stigma that those who doubt have some lurking evil, and that those who leave the church were just looking for a way out. This unrighteous judgment can be both harmful to us (it is a sin) and detrimental to the person we are judging.

2) Do NOT pretend that you know all the facts

Our religion is very complex. There are aspects of our doctrine and history that are very difficult to understand and we don’t claim to know all the answers. People who are deeply concerned with these issues have often given them many hours of study and consideration, so the “seminary answers” often don’t quite cut it. Rather than throwing out platitudes, try to understand their perspective. Share what you know and understand, and acknowledge that you don’t know everything. Always be honest.

3) Do NOT belittle their concerns

As one who ventures “down the rabbit hole” so to speak, I can testify of the frustration that comes when someone tells you not to worry so much. If we believe that our religious convictions will affect the our eternal destiny then of course we should worry about getting it right! What seems like a minuscule molehill to you may be a monstrous mountain for another. We can’t solve problems by ignoring them. Remember that our religion started with a boy who had some serious religious questions. Instead of disregarding the question, listen to the concerns and help find the answers.

4) Do NOT ostracize them

Though this is the last item, it is probably the most important. Nobody should feel like they aren’t able to express their concerns for fear of losing friends or family. Our love cannot be conditional upon someone’s level of belief. Christlike love is unconditional.To individuals with spouses whose beliefs are different, remember the counsel of Paul: “And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband.” (1 Cor 7:13-14)People need your love, not your diagnosis. Expressing doubt or even leaving the church does not equate to being a bad person. In the end, even the acts of good by atheists will be accounted to them as righteousness. God’s love does not have a membership number or require a temple recommend. Neither should ours.From the Joseph Smith Papers project to the video about temple clothing, the church is taking progressive steps toward transparency and more open dialogue about controversial issues. I believe that our generation will be instrumental in continuing that trend. Let us always be quick to lend a listening ear, a supportive shoulder, and most importantly, an open heart.”

– End Article –

Wether you know someone right now experiencing some challenges to their faith or not, you will likely encounter someone in the not so distant future. So it is best to have this information and resource at the ready should this come up.

Should you be experiencing a faith crisis right now yourself, and someone is not following these 4 basic principles, try to do your best to also extend the same level of understanding you want others to have with you. Take these 4 things and reverse them…with a slight adjustment.

1) Don’t assume that people are judging you harshly.

2) Don’t assume that people know nothing about faith challenges – many go through them, and many come through them with even stronger faith than when they entered the faith crisis.

3) Do not belittle people who are trying to show concern but may not be the best at being crisis counselors.

4) Do not ostracize yourself. I once heard the analogy that the worst time to leave the storm shelter is when the hurricane is passing over you. In other words, if you are having a faith crisis and you are scared or upset and don’t know where to turn for help or answers, it is best to not leave the church, the source of strength that you need to help you through this time, especially when you are in the middle of the trial.

We don’t always know how to respond to people when they encounter difficulties in life, wether they be faith related or not. So, remember to be patient with others, as you would want them to be patient with you.

In conclusion I want to share with you a thought that was kind of sneaky from the October 2014 General Conference. Elder Anderson gave a talk and in the foot note of that talk was a quote from President Eyring that says this about how to approach those in faith crisis:

“In your love for them you may decide to try to give them what they ask. You may be tempted to go with them through their doubts, with the hope that you can find proof or reasoning to dispel their doubts. Persons with doubts often want to talk about what they think are the facts or the arguments that have caused their doubts, and about how much it hurts… You and I can do better if we do not stay long with what our students see as the source of their doubts… Their problem does not lie in what they think they see; it lies in what they cannot yet see… We do best if we turn the conversation soon to the things of the heart, those changes of heart that open spiritual eyes.”

(“‘And Thus We See’: Helping a Student in a Moment of Doubt” [address to Church Educational System religious educators, Feb. 5, 1993], 3, 4

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Articles of Faith 16: Margaret Blair Young – The Heart of Africa and The Welcome Table

October 20, 2014 by NickGalieti

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Margaret-Blair-Young-150x150Margaret Blair Young was raised in the Church and learned the standard Mormon clichés and customary phrases of a Mormon testimony. As a child, she could imitate the strokes and expressions of Mormonism well, in time she came to understand these were expressions of an immature, inexperienced faith. Time propelled her further into the faith. In time she began to be immersed in more controversial areas of LDS history: race issues and the priesthood restriction, keeping those of African lineage from receiving the priesthood or temple blessings for over a century. She wrote three books and made two documentaries on these subjects with Darius Gray, a black man who joined the Church in 1964, fourteen years before the restriction was lifted.

Margaret Blair Young is the past president of the Association for Mormon Letters and has published eight books—novels and short stories. Three of these were co-authored with Darius Gray and give the history of Black Latter-day Saints. She and Gray also made the documentary Nobody Knows: The Untold Story of Black Mormons. She has written six encyclopedia articles and other scholarly papers on Blacks in the western USA, and particularly on Black Mormons. She used to teach creative writing at BYU but now travels the world in her off time.

Questions addressed during the interview:

You just got back from Africa. Where were you and what were you doing there?

How is the church doing in Africa? What is it like on a day to day basis?

What are some of the difficult questions or situations for which the African Saints are seeking answers or solutions?

There is an article on your blog through patheos, The Welcome Table, the article is entitled Developing Spiritual Taste. In your world travels and in your film directing efforts on church related themes, you have no doubt encountered critics or at least statements that seem to be critical of at least perceptions of church doctrines and culture. You even address the motivation for the article, at least in part, by offering this brief anecdote: When I was in my late twenties, someone said to me, “You’re too smart to be a Mormon.” Clearly, I’m not. But the picture of Mormonism this person had in mind does not represent the kind of Mormonism I live.” What is the kind of Mormonism that you live, the kind that you layout in this article?

You talk about, in your Mormon Scholars Testify Page, a story where your husband once gave you a priesthood blessing during a particularly trying moment. He said these words: “I bless you that your memories will be sanctified as the larger picture unfolds, and you will view all of the difficulties and trials you’re enduring now with gratitude and love.”This is the blessing of perspective. It illuminates not only my personal history, but the hard historical episodes of my religion. What has that blessing meant in your research into as you put it, the more controversial parts of Mormon History?

Margaret Blair Young is the author of several titles as well as director and producer of several documentaries on the history of Black members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Click here for more information on Margaret Blair Young’s upcoming Film Project, The Heart of Africa.

Click here to read from Margaret Blair Young’s entries at Patheos under the heading, The Welcome Table.

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Mormon FairCast-Book Review: The Crucible of Doubt: Reflections on the Quest For Faith by Terryl and Fiona Givens

September 1, 2014 by NickGalieti

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Terryl and Fiona GivensTerryl Givens holds the James A. Bostwick chair of English and is Professor of Literature and Religion at the University of Richmond and the author of several books. His writing has been praised by the new York Times as “provocative reading” and includes the most recent title, When Souls Had Wings, a history of the idea of pre-mortal life in Western Thought.

 

Fiona Givens is a retired modern language teacher with undergraduate degree’s in French and German and a graduate degree in European History. She is now an independent scholar who has published in several journals and reviews in Mormon studies, including the Journal of Mormon History, Exponent II, and LDS Living.

 

Terryl and Fiona are the grandparents of five, and parents of six. Welcome Terrly and Fiona Givens. They co-authored the book The Crucible of Doubt: Reflections on the Quest For Faith published by Deseret Book.

 

Questions addressed in this interview:

 

With two authors to a title I am always a bit curious as to who wrote what, or how that process took place. So how did that process take place?

 

This book is entitled The Crucible of Doubt and subtitled, Reflections on the Question for Faith. You have written on having doubts or experiencing what has been termed a faith crisis, would you call yourselves doubt scholars?

 

Now another word for crucible is trial, so the title itself implies that you approach having doubts or questions about LDS beliefs is a trial, but what makes these doubts such a trial? Why can’t they simply be viewed as a natural occurrence and something to address in some sense of normalcy rather than a “trial?”

 

While the book is primarily a devotional text, there does seem to have an apologetic subtext to it in that it helps the reader to reframe themselves with respect to the LDS Theology is such a way that questions are more answerable. What that part of the intent in your writing or did it simply speak to me that way?

 

Some introductions to books are superfluous. Your’s does not fit in that category, in fact, I would venture to say that if you skip over the introduction to the book, you will miss a good bit of the remainder of the text. That introduction starts out with a profound analogy using James Mossman’s front door in Scotland. Please help me to not sound so random in my reference. Please explain that story.

 

What are some of the common “wrong questions” that we encounter in current discourse?

 

The book continues to give an appraisal on the value of reason or in another sense the place of scientific information as the foundation upon which reason is based. Your argument sounds a little like a literature professor seeking to give more weight to their subject of scholarship.\

 

Let’s talk for a minute about the role of suffering.

 

It is the position of some today that questioning certain teachings, or even publicly advocating for things that shake up the norm is the act of an apostate, while others praise their actions as bringing people to a higher plane of Christianity through their advocacy. The next chapter of your book The Crucible of Doubt, deals with this idea and is entitled On Provocation and Peace: Of Life’s Fundamental Incompleteness. So is Christianity. What then is the role of questioning, of even experiencing a gospel that shakes us to our very core?

 

The Role and Function of the Church, a chapter that walks a line that few have articulated the way you have. There are those that feel that the church is the answer to all problems, and others that feel that church is the cause of all their problems. In order to talk about this concept we need to first put out your definition of religion, and your definition of church—then if you could go into what is the role of true religion and a true church in our spiritual journey?

 

Much has been talked about with the role of grace and works. A quote from your book comes from the German theologian Dietrich Bonhoffer, “cheap grace is the mortal enemy of the church” and one version of cheap grace is “baptism without discipline of community.” As we are talking about the disciples journey through doubt to greater faith and spirituality, what then do you attribute the role of ordinances and spiritual ritual in the overcoming of doubts?

 

There is a progression in your material as you address various paradigms that some have adopted, The Use and Abuse of Scripture, The Perils of Hero Worship, another interesting chapter is the Mormon’s and Monopolies chapters, and I am going to go ahead and leave those sections as a tease to go get the book, but these chapters lead in some ways to this idea of Spiritual Self-sufficiency, subtitled, Find Your Watering Place. What does Spiritual Self-sufficiency look like?

 

Let’s conclude with the articulation of what just might be at the heart of true faith, and that is the risk it presents. There is this quote, “The question may remain, how does one lock onto the propositional assertions of a restored gospel that is also laden with claims about gold plates and the Book of Abraham and a male priesthood and a polygamous past and a thousand other details we may find difficult? One might consider that the contingencies of history and culture and the human element will always constitute the garment in which God’s word and will are clothed. And one might refuse to allow our desire for the perfect to be the enemy of the present good. Finally we might ask ourselves, with the early disciples, “to whom [else] shall we go?” The Worst risk such a life of faith entails is not that such a life might be wrong—but that it might be incomprehensible to those unprepared to take such a risk.” It then goes to assert that to be faithful or to be a Christian disciple (that is my word not yours) that to live in faith is to live in such a way that one’s life would not make sense if God did not exist.”

 

Terryl and Fiona Givens are the co-authors of The Crucible of Doubt: Reflections on the Quest for Faith. Available now through Deseret Book at Deseret Book.com and other LDS retailers.

 

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